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29/08/24
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Originally posted by timbowls:
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Hi Guys, I've just finished reading through the annual report and wanted to post some general thoughts along with reaching out on a couple of questions in the hope of being educated by some more informed investors who might also be holding WGB!General Thoughts Following WGB over the years has been a bit of a reminder on how important entry timing is on LIC'S and cemented my opinion that it's far better to avoid any IPO's for these vehicles and wait around 18 months for them to build up their dividends to the market rate before getting on board. I've added to this position over many years and my average price is currently sitting at $2.03 currently. This means despite it's long term significant underperformance vs the market my average total return since the first purchase (November 2019) is sitting at 9% percent (Including franking credits) just slightly under the aussie market at 9.5% over the same time period (also including franking credits). I like the fact that the portfolio is tech and healthcare heavy as I never invest in either of these areas directly myself as I don't understand them anywhere near well enough so I feel like WGB gives me that exposure indirectly. It's also the only international holding I hold in general and I like the fact that I still get the franking credits along with access to the overseas markets. I'm actually also completely fine with them not holding NVDIA and being underweight the magnificent seven as I would hope we might benefit from a bit of mean reversion in the next 5 years As much as the management fees are very high (1.25% of the portfolio) considering the 6 years of underperformance here and I do also wish they would publish their results after fees and give us the position sizes each month, I do have to give WAM full marks for shareholder engagement as I've personally seen just how much worse it can be with other fund managers in recent times. A real stand out for me was listening in to a recent conference call for WAR with a lot of disgruntled shareholders on the line asking very similar questions. To his credit Geoff Wilson went significantly over time on the call and make sure that every individual person got their question answered while remaining very polite throughout and never showing any frustration (I would encourage any holders to look it up on Spotify and you'll see what I mean). I'd also like to see these guys back themselves a bit more and concentrate the portfolio between their 10 to 15 best ideas as that will give us a better chance of beating the index. Looking at their top 20 holdings at the moment it's still only 65% of the total portfolio. I realise this idea might be unpopular and I am probably a bit biased considering how I set my portfolio up but I reckon we're a bit over diversified. Interesting Stats The NTA discount tightened right up from 18.7% at the start of the financial year to 10.5% by the end of it Since inception the portfolio performance now sits at 8.7% (pre fees) vs the MCSI world index at 12.3% although interestingly the SMID index (global small and midcaps) has been 7.2% so after taking the fees out I reckon they'd still be a little ahead of this one There is the equivalent of 45 million dollars of historical underperformance that the management would need to catch up on before being able to charge an additional fee of 20% of any outperformance. I'm glad this is in place. The share register is actually wide open with the top 20 holders only controlling 18% of the total register Geoff Wilson now holds 11 million dollars worth of stock which is the equivalent of 1.4% of the company. I'm a big fan of Kate Thorley also holding around 200k worth of stock.Questions I know it's not made easy on purpose but what's the easiest way to calculate LIC performance after fees using an annual report? Also when a top 20 shareholder list features nominees such as HSBC or Citi Group does that meant their a broker that's holding shares in the name of the institution on behalf of a customer for confidentiality reasons? Or could that be something like an ETF?
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Hi Tim, The annual reports actually lists their performance after fees in two ways. It provides total shareholder return, based on the share price, and also the performance of the NAV on an after fee basis. You simply have to navigate to the performance section of the annual report. It outlines three performance metrics from memory. Unfortunately, this is the only real avenue to find post fee performance. As you have alluded to - Wilson Asset Management love to only use pre fee performance figures everywhere else. An old school and extremely outdated practice. Lastly, yes they are simply nominees holding on behalf of holders who hold the beneficial interest. Nothing out of the ordinary. Individuals holding legal title of shares is kind of peculiar to Australia. Elsewhere in the world, such as the US, shares are predominantly held in trust via a nominee. Even in Australia, if you find a broker offering very cheap brokerage, such as IG markets, Superhero etc. they are actually using the same nominee structure - which is why they can offer cheap brokerage rates.
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29/08/24