Just down rampers on HotCopper. I personally still think we are...

Just down rampers on HotCopper. I personally still think we are super competitive with regards capex. I'm pretty sure the mount weld facility Lynas are building cost a lot more that 400 million. But even if you humour the downrampers on capex, and throw in the opex too, we still have a fast to market, simple in the scheme of things project. The speed of the project could be crucial as demands picks up and hard rock projects lag to come online. That was all I was trying to point out. My eyes are doubly green with both starry eyed greed as well as inexperience, but even so I'm extremely bullish on MEI and VMM. For whatever it's worth.