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Ann: CEO interviewed by Alan Kohler, page-32

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    What I really like about this interview is that it shows that Paul Brennan has paid-with-his-own-money ownership -

    I know plenty of people will have read the 2020 Berkshire letter to shareholders - It has some really good insights regarding Boards of Directors (https://www.berkshirehathaway.com/letters/2019ltr.pdf):

    Boards of Directors
    In recent years, both the composition of corporate boards and their purpose have become hot topics. Once,
    debate about the responsibilities of boards was largely limited to lawyers; today, institutional investors and politicians
    have weighed in as well.
    My credentials for discussing corporate governance include the fact that, over the last 62 years, I have served
    as a director of 21 publicly-owned companies (listed below). In all but two of them, I have represented a substantial
    holding of stock. In a few cases, I have tried to implement important change.
    During the first 30 or so years of my services, it was rare to find a woman in the room unless she represented
    a family controlling the enterprise. This year, it should be noted, marks the 100th anniversary of the 19th Amendment,
    which guaranteed American women the right to have their voices heard in a voting booth. Their attaining similar status
    in a board room remains a work in progress.
    Over the years, many new rules and guidelines pertaining to board composition and duties have come into
    being. The bedrock challenge for directors, nevertheless, remains constant: Find and retain a talented CEO –
    possessing integrity, for sure – who will be devoted to the company for his/her business lifetime. Often, that task is
    hard. When directors get it right, though, they need to do little else. But when they mess it up,......
    Audit committees now work much harder than they once did and almost always view the job with appropriate
    seriousness. Nevertheless, these committees remain no match for managers who wish to game numbers, an offense
    that has been encouraged by the scourge of earnings “guidance” and the desire of CEOs to “hit the number.” My direct
    experience (limited, thankfully) with CEOs who have played with a company’s numbers indicates that they were more
    often prompted by ego than by a desire for financial gain.
    Compensation committees now rely much more heavily on consultants than they used to. Consequently,
    compensation arrangements have become more complicated – what committee member wants to explain paying large
    fees year after year for a simple plan? – and the reading of proxy material has become a mind-numbing experience.
    One very important improvement in corporate governance has been mandated: a regularly-scheduled
    “executive session” of directors at which the CEO is barred. Prior to that change, truly frank discussions of a CEO’s
    skills, acquisition decisions and compensation were rare.
    Acquisition proposals remain a particularly vexing problem for board members. The legal orchestration for
    making deals has been refined and expanded (a word aptly describing attendant costs as well). But I have yet to see a
    CEO who craves an acquisition bring in an informed and articulate critic to argue against it. And yes, include me
    among the guilty. An interesting exercise for a company to hire two “expert” acquisition advisors, one pro and one con, to deliver his
    or her views on a proposed deal to the board – with the winning advisor to receive, say, ten times a token sum paid to
    the loser. Don’t hold your breath awaiting this reform: The current system, whatever its shortcomings for shareholders,
    works magnificently for CEOs and the many advisors and other professionals who feast on deals. A venerable caution
    will forever be true when advice from Wall Street is contemplated: Don’t ask the barber whether you need a haircut.
    Over the years, board “independence” has become a new area of emphasis. One key point relating to this
    topic, though, is almost invariably overlooked: Director compensation has now soared to a level that inevitably makes
    pay a subconscious factor affecting the behavior of many non-wealthy members. Think, for a moment, of the director
    earning $250,000-300,000 for board meetings consuming a pleasant couple of days six or so times a year. Frequently,
    the possession of one such directorship bestows on its holder three to four times the annual median income of U.S.
    households. (I missed much of this gravy train: As a director of Portland Gas Light in the early 1960s, I received $100
    annually for my service. To earn this princely sum, I commuted to Maine four times a year.)
    And job security now? It’s fabulous. Board members may get politely ignored, but they seldom get fired.
    Instead, generous age limits – usually 70 or higher – act as the standard method for the genteel ejection of directors.
    Is it any wonder that a non-wealthy director (“NWD”) now hopes – or even yearns – to be asked to join a
    second board, thereby vaulting into the $500,000-600,000 class? To achieve this goal, the NWD will need help. The
    CEO of a company searching for board members will almost certainly check with the NWD’s current CEO as to
    whether NWD is a “good” director. “Good,” of course, is a code word. If the NWD has seriously challenged his/her
    present CEO’s compensation or acquisition dreams, his or her candidacy will silently die. When seeking directors,
    CEOs don’t look for pit bulls. It’s the cocker spaniel that gets taken home.
    Despite the illogic of it all, the director for whom fees are important – indeed, craved – is almost universally
    classified as “independent” while many directors possessing fortunes very substantially linked to the welfare of the
    corporation are deemed lacking in independence. Not long ago, I looked at the proxy material of a large American
    company and found that eight directors had never purchased a share of the company’s stock using their own money.
    (They, of course, had received grants of stock as a supplement to their generous cash compensation.) This particular
    company had long been a laggard, but the directors were doing wonderfully.
    Paid-with-my-own-money ownership, of course, does not create wisdom or ensure business smarts.
    Nevertheless, I feel better when directors of our portfolio companies have had the experience of purchasing shares
    with their savings, rather than simply having been the recipients of grants.


    I feel comfortable in the fact that PB has
 
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