You still need me idunno, the company may come back and the advice you are getting elsewhere on this thread is as bad as ever, aushed's thesis that all is well for the company except management is misleading and although negative is actually more ramping, i.e. change management, make some engineering fixes and the queuing customers will get their fill and all will be well. Not so and I'm not gloating but i thought you had sold way back when i made the call and all hell broke out from the VXL cheer squad.