I'd like to be a buyer here but have gone through these questions
1. Oracle are you a receiver of commissions? I worry that the watchlist weekly numbers never materialise. I think we've either misunderstood the allocation of leverage or you are a broker
2. Based on Sharkies view about discount I wanted to work out where worth buying more. Tariff wars must be close to over, I'm trying to assess what discount makes sense. I gave ChatGPT the TGF historical fund return numbers (not SP, actual return numbers) and expenses. Arrived at 2 different answers depending on the benchmark we gave it.
The question given was - what is the discount likely to be on this listed equity fund that charges a 1.5% base fee, pays 4 - 5% of its Market Cap in brokerage commission per annum and underperforms the following benchmarks, their historical performance numbers attached
Answer was "When an equity fund has high fees (like a 1.5% base fee), pays out a significant portion of its market cap to brokers (4 - 5%), and underperforms its benchmark, it's likely to trade at a discount to its Net Asset Value (NAV). This discount reflects investors’ recognition that they’re not getting full value for the underlying assets due to:
High costs eating into returns
Underperformance reducing confidence in management
Broker payments possibly indicating aggressive distribution rather than performance-driven growth Let's break it down and estimate the likely discount.
Key Variables:
Base fee: 1.5% of NAV
Broker fees: 4.5% of Market Cap
Underperformance: relative to benchmark
* first benchmark I gave was a resource stock index they quote in their preso
ChatGPT "Conclusion Likely Discount: ~15%–25%. Could be more if the underperformance is persistent and broker commissions seem excessive. Discount reflects both cost inefficiency and lack of trust in fund management's value-add."
it didn't price or believe the broker commission entry in that calc!
* second time I gave it the benchmark TGF uses to charge fees, which is zero performance but told it to include opportunity cost of moves in ASX and S&P and gave it the filings to confirm commission pay away
"to make the fund even remotely attractive to investors, it must trade at a steep discount of 45%–70%, depending on what return, and volatility investors are willing to accept."
contect is interesting for me. we are trading between those 2 queries. they look like a best-case discount and a worst case theo value that you'd hope won't happen bc it would be wound up beyond 50% discunt but prices opportunity cost as well as discount factors. Short term buy at points here with a macro stop
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Open | High | Low | Value | Volume |
$1.40 | $1.41 | $1.39 | $109.2K | 78.08K |
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1 | 20000 | $1.40 |
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$1.41 | 9372 | 1 |
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1 | 20000 | 1.400 |
1 | 7168 | 1.395 |
1 | 8554 | 1.390 |
2 | 43000 | 1.385 |
3 | 38350 | 1.380 |
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1.410 | 9372 | 1 |
1.420 | 16000 | 2 |
1.425 | 6899 | 1 |
1.430 | 14626 | 1 |
1.435 | 50000 | 1 |
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