Well not much joy out of that presentation. Things are still...

Well not much joy out of that presentation. Things are still pretty much bumping along the same level - I did see one comment which indicates that they are doing their best to improve and that was the fact that they are lowering inventory levels on the RVs. That will help the bottom line while sales are at such low levels. Importantly they continue to report that the rental business is going well because without it things would be much worse.