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    pfeifer1982 responding to truss20 (where I believe truss20 was inquiring into what might have caused the FDA to (apparently) change its position.

    Valid point, and I considered that. What's new/what has changed.

    What has changed is the IL2Ralpha component as described in this patent here, Figures 4-7:
    https://patents.google.com/patent/US20230398154A1/en

    "FIG. 4 : Product manufactured with improved process has higher mean TNF-R1 levels and less variability in inhibition of IL-2Rα.
    [0031]
    FIG. 5 : Manufacturing changes resulting in increased TNF-R1 levels have been accompanied by increased Day 100 survival.
    [0032]
    FIG. 6 : Significantly improved survival in patients that received MSCs associated with IL-2Rα expression levels >60%.
    [0033]
    FIG. 7 : IL2Ra inhibition in vitro correlates with in vivo reduction of Activated CD4+ T cells."Actually Figure 4 is what was provided at ODAC - August 2020 - it hasn't changed.

    https://hotcopper.com.au/data/attachments/6262/6262223-8097020c21d8de08963735a4b3806b1b.jpg
    Except that in PA(Patent application) '154. (what you'd linked to- just using a short hand based on last three letters), they actually included the scale bar numbers where it seems there's a typo of 30 where 50 should be all the files would then have 25 between them.

    I reckon this figure is older than ODAC and someone saw the typo and removed the scale just before they put the communication package together for ODAC and they've not taken it out.


    https://hotcopper.com.au/data/attachments/6262/6262229-fadfdf71d66b04d2c0a0cbef16640570.jpg

    Pfeifer I actually think there is very little new data in PA'154 that MSB hasn't presented at ODAC or then at the second BLA submission - for instance this figure 6 - I think would have been part - probably a core part - of the second BLA submission (thought it wasn't a public domain document) because its what MSB was stressing in their public statements.

    https://hotcopper.com.au/data/attachments/6262/6262248-999c3d6a40e37424ac5c38c6492dfb89.jpg

    Figure 7 (the left hand side of it - was presented at ODAC), the right hand side of it is new but it doesn't say there's a significant difference between overall response and non response in change in activated T cell levels in vivo (in patients blood), I think, because there isn't a significant difference frankly at 28 days.

    Figure 2 is a reproduction of Mesoblast's page 13 graphic of there 127 page ODAC briefing.

    My point here really is these haven't changed - so they can't or shouldn't have caused any flip in attitude at the FDA if such has in fact occurred.

    In your reply to truss20 you point out that there has been some new data described in a couple of MSB announcements - I hadn't really properly noticed those - I guess I did notice but dismissed them as not helping to validate the potency assay - so I was checking your links to see if there was more info available - how did they conduct the new EAP in adults and over 12's I was wondering (did they take blood serum levels at baseline and at 28 days for instance to get an activated T cells change?) I don't think there is really much more info - I think you've pretty well reviewed what is in public domain. And I don't get the impression, any more than you seem to have, that the EAP 71 then 51 supported or added to the potency assay validation which I see as still relying almost entirely on 11 data points from GVHD001.
 
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