Wheres can this UPI article be found that everyone keeps referring to??
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These guys absolutely suck. I'm sick of them, they are a cancer on the Earth. Do not let them in what ever you do. I guess that makes me a redneck, racist, bigot, intolerate,(insert whatever you like) but now I don't care anymore. THey can all f#@%k off....
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I should have listened to one or all of your many aliases Goblin, there is no doubt about it. I'd be buying flat out at 23c today if I had. Ah well, thems the breaks. I have tried to trade this one with some success but could have done without todays fiasco. Still, I've been in and out since 8c so perhaps not such a blow. Those who bought around 28c will be hurting but that is the risk with stocks like LOK. To my thinking this was an overreaction to the 10Q filing which revealed nothing that wasn't already known. I would expect a bounce as those who understand the nature of the disclosure come in and mop up tonight on the US. Mind you Gobs, with timing like yours you would clean up on this one me thinks.
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Check out what the big money was doing during the fall.
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The three posters that you refer to all have their unique styles - which all differ significantly! I can't understand how anyone could think that they are the same person!- *Removed* this post has been removed from public view
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A leopard does not change its spots, nor a tiger its stripes.
Their record indicates that they can't feel shame. With these "piggy backs" now approved, they will obtain even more power. Small investors, unless there one of their mates, will be the losers.- *Removed* this post has been removed from public view
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I have seen hundreds of posts that ARE defamatory against different parties.
My conscience is clear; I don't feel any remorse about what I posted. Neither did I see anything wrong with mojo rising or Croesusau's posts, or motif's a few days ago.
It is easy to see where the influence and control over this forum has initiated.
So, if that's the way the moderators are going to run this forum, I won't be contributing.
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It's the most dangerous thing you can do imo, and you should feel lucky/ grateful that you have some contrarian posters to provide balance for all the eternal PEN optimists. But what would I know?
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I'm in the same boat having traded PEN from time to time.
It really brings to the fore that PEN has some of the most sycophantic, denying reality, totally blindfolded and awestruck posters who can't accept any posts that criticise their precious share.
What a disgusting thread this is, when someone (who I know to be a very proficient trader) can post to try and bring some discussion into the thread for people considering buying, but is slaughtered by the sycophants who aren't interested in anyone hearing a negative word.
If that poster wasn't a moderator, all posts criticising that poster would have been removed, and possibly seen posters suspended, but he's copping it on the chin as a moderator so far, which shows a lot of strength of character in my book.
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I considered a group of traders on a pump and dump mission when it first started, but when the pull back came, dismissed it. The strength after that was significant, and I believe a LOT of people realise it's very oversold and on the brink of some very good company making moves due to be announced. Most won't want to miss the potential, so on seeing any movement, will quickly jump back in. That's no pump and dump.- *Removed* this post has been removed from public view
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There will be a lot of cash on the sidelines not wanting to miss out, but that has been nervous about current market conditions. Movement in stock price is enough to bring that money back in. Nothing to do with management, just investor psychology imo.
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Do you have a 2.7 million deposit for a new home?
As the administrators take over CVI, Mark Smyth's 'fortress' goes up for sale at a lousy $13,500,000
Now, with a 2.7million deposit, and interest rate of 7.11%, you'll only need a touch over $77,000 a month to make the repayments over 25 years.
Feeling sick enough yet?
Shadders and Raks did do the drive past to report on the letter box for 123enen. I remember it well from just after the EGM days.
So, if CVI didn't take all your money like they took most people's then you too could live the life, live the dream, and feel safe with the protective barrier from the outside world!
Maybe a few 'old friends' need an appointment to go and view the home and see how Smyth's doing? Is the dementia well advanced yet? Any house guests? Malcolm Johnson, Anton Tarkanyi, excelsior perhaps?
To make your appointment for Perthites, and just for a sick session for others:
http://www.domain.com.au/Property/For-Sale/House/WA/Mosman-Park/?adid=2008821829
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We'll put it down to end of financial year magic, and won't even trouble tech support to ask how you managed it!
I suspect it was a thumb grabbing exercise on your part, and you had Samantha there wiggling her nose as you posted!
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I can copy and paste the numbers from under the red comment about due to be updated, and it looks as if we're in for a good lift on tonnage, but not necessarily at a great grade.
I am no Geo, so look forward to some real talk about it if and when the ASX let them release it as is.
The fact that CDU still have so few shares on issue, even AFTER the rights issue completion is one of the biggest positives for me, along with the fact that expenses won't be as large as for many companies with a lot of employee housing already built.
Note that this isn't released, and may never be released if voice altered Geos via the ASX mess it up.
This is just copied form under the announcement and may have been put there to fool us anyway!
30.3mt @ 1.7% CuEq
(0.8% cut-off) Measured and Indicated
97.9mt @ 0.96% CuEq
(0.4% cut-off) Measured and Indicated
272.9mt @ 0.62% CuEq
(0.2% cut-off) Measured & Indicated and inferred
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Right now, imo it's a buy.
What does that have to do with anything else?
Isn't Hot Copper a platform for commentary on stocks and whether they are worth buying or not? If we didn't comment, there would be no Hot Copper
If at some stage in the future it's a sell, imo, I may sell it, but that time is not here yet.
Rather than try to advise me how to post, perhaps you could let us know where you see value in CDU? Do you wait for it to be proven and moving up again?
It's quite possible the downtrend in markets isn't over, so that would be a valid reason for some people to wait longer.
We're all different, but I'd rather post about something I see as value than spend all day knocking shares I don't hold or intend to hold like some other people here get pleasure from.
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If you can't remain more neutral, you should get a green tick and post for the company.
You simply can't give a value on it without ALL the information.
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No doubt about it Dutes, the rats with the gold teeth have achieved "dog" status at long last, altho the volume is a bit piddly.
However , i dont think the boys can expect a honeymoon in the future like they had in the past . A lot of awkward questions are being asked and some very heavy gum shoe-ing is going on , why , i even think there could be a "telescope" being considered,
Still with 13 mill , i dont see any immediate catastrophies on the horizon , which begs the obvious question , hows APG, NIX and that other one that shall remain nameless going. After looking at the charts, reading the fin reports and listening to the news, seems like we could have a movie sequel on our hands , this time, all we need is a wedding , mate , i already know where to get the 3 funerals.
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OI NQ , how they hanging?
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As far as the timeline goes, I’m still trying to get my head around that, and a lot of other stuff as well.
As far as leaks go, I reckon it was pretty much a sieve with political administration meetings before the first official one with Korda Mentha on December 23, 2024.
This ABC link: 24/02/25 https://amp.abc.net.au/article/104974850 talks about the cast of ‘at least tens’ involved, and also gives a taste of agenda at tomorrow’s creditors meeting:
… “The meeting agenda, also released today, showed creditors would decide whether to appoint a "committee of inspection" – a group of creditors who can advise the administrators…”
See full story in spoiler:
SA government's Steel Task Force began talks with Whyalla Steelworks administrators in December
By Kathryn Bermingham
Posted Mon 24 Feb 2025 at 7:23amMonday 24 Feb 2025 at 7:23am
Peter Malinauskas's government first had contact with insolvency firm KordaMentha before Christmas last year.(ABC News: Carl Saville)
The South Australian government first contacted insolvency firm KordaMentha before Christmas 2024 to discuss putting the Whyalla Steelworks into administration, new documents show.
Financial information published by KordaMentha on Monday also revealed $100 million in taxpayer funds has already been handed over to the administrator for "initial trading expenses and remuneration".
Up to an additional $300m will be made available to cover the cost of administration, which will be drawn upon as needed and require government approval for any expense above $5 million.
The funding, part of a support package announced by the state and federal governments last week, will be used to keep the plant running during the administration period and cover payments to creditors.
The steelworks was plunged into administration by the government last weekafter special legislation was rushed through state parliament, allowing the government to seize control of operations.
Special legislation was rushed through parliament last week, plunging the Whyalla steelworks into administration.(ABC News: Che Chorley)
Owner GFG Alliance had owed more than $300 million to creditors and tens of millions of dollars in royalties to the government, resulting in months of uncertainty for the city.
Following the passage of the government's bill, KordaMentha was installed as administrator of GFG subsidiary OneSteel Manufacturing.
First contact on December 23
The new documents, which KordaMentha was required by law to make public, show the state government's Steel Task Force chair Bruce Carter first contacted KordaMentha just before Christmas last year to discuss "the possibility of the company entering into external administration in the future".
Following the initial phone call between Mr Carter and KordaMentha's Mark Mentha on December 23, another discussion between the pair took place on January 20, before a meeting was arranged for January 28.
The meeting was attended by Mr Carter and Mr Mentha as well as Sebastian Hams, also of KordaMentha, and Leon Zwier and Erin Puckridge of commercial law firm Arnold Bloch Leibler.
Mr Mentha oversaw the last period of administration at the steelworks, which resulted in its sale to GFG chairman Sanjeev Gupta in 2017.
Sanjeev Gupta bought the Whyalla steelworks in 2017.(ABC News: Nick Harmsen)
Several senior public servants were also at the January 28 meeting, including Under Treasurer Tammie Pribanic, Department of Energy and Mining chief executive Paul Martyn and Department of Premier and Cabinet deputy chief executive Nari Chandler.
"The purpose of the meeting was to discuss the potential appointment of external administrators to the company," the documents said.
Mr Carter and Mr Mentha had four phone calls between February 4 and February 13, before lawyers acting for the government emailed Mr Mentha on February 15 "seeking to engage in discussions regarding funding of the potential appointment by the state".
Meetings held for 'better understanding'
Between February 16 and February 18, Mr Carter and Mr Mentha had six further discussions about funding arrangements before a call was held with a larger group on February 18 — including Ms Pribanic, Mr Chandler, Department of Energy and Mining executive director Rebecca Knights, Department of State Development chief executive Adam Reid and three staff from the Crown Solicitor's Office.
Numerous discussions were held with insolvency firm KordaMentha before the Whyalla steelworks was placed in administration last week.(ABC News: Brant Cumming)
On February 19 — the day the bill passed parliament — Mr Mentha and KordaMentha colleagues met with Mr Zwier and lawyers acting for the government.
"The purpose of the meeting was for the potential administrators to obtain a better understanding of the legal basis for the proposed appointment by the state and to better satisfy themselves as to the validity and enforceability of the state's security and that secured moneys remained unpaid, prior to signing a Deed of Appointment," the documents said.
Mr Mentha and Mr Zwier then attended a meeting at the office of Premier Peter Malinauskas to execute the deed of appointment.
The documents also revealed that KordaMentha had been engaged in November 2022 by former GFG creditors Greensill to undertake a review of GFG assets, including the Whyalla Steelworks and Tahmoor coal mine in New South Wales.
Anthony Albanese and Peter Malinauskas visited the Whyalla steelworks last week.
KordaMentha will hold the first meeting of Whyalla Steelworks creditors on Monday, March 3, at the local Westland Hotel.
The meeting agenda, also released today, showed creditors would decide whether to appoint a "committee of inspection" – a group of creditors who can advise the administrators.
Prime Minister Anthony Albanese and Mr Malinauskas visited Whyalla last week to announce a $2.4 billion support package for the city, jointly funded by the federal and state governments.
As well as covering the administration costs, the package includes $1.9 billion set aside for new infrastructure to ensure the success and longevity of the steelworks.
Last week, a spokesperson for GFG Alliance said the business was "assessing" and "seeking advice on its options" after the steelworks was placed into administration, and that its concern was "first and foremost the wellbeing and safety of our employees".
I wonder if NRW’s confidence about the full debt being recovered stems from its’ confidence it will have a strong voice in that advisory body?
- It already has an assurance of extension of contract there for at least a year …
— Relevant to its reemployment, I saw in my previous post I did not include the link from January 16 where the ABC reported Golding only laid off workers in January after GFG betrayed the good faith .
It’s clear that, from at least then, it was already engaged with SA Energy and Mining Minister Tom Koutsantonis about avoidable job losses:
…. “Energy and Mining Minister Tom Koutsantonis said the cuts were triggered when GFG made a board decision yesterday to end that contract" with Golding.
Mr Koutsantonis said he was only informed of that decision on Wednesday (15/01/25) and questioned why GFG Alliance had not yet pressed on with plans to extend mining operations in the hills around Whyalla.
"Those job losses, I think, could have been avoided," he said.
"All the approvals are in place, there is plenty of iron ore in those hills, it is the most lucrative and profitable part of Mr Gupta's business.
“It’s an eminently invest-able project, why that investment hasn’t come yet is a matter for GFG."
https://amp.abc.net.au/article/104824430
Iron mining job losses 'could have been avoided' by GFG, SA Energy Minister says
Posted Thu 16 Jan 2025 at 5:13amThursday 16 Jan 2025 at 5:13am, updated Thu 16 Jan 2025 at 8:14amThursday 16 Jan 2025 at 8:14am
Job losses linked to Whyalla's steelworks were announced on Wednesday.(ABC News: Che Chorley)
South Australia's Energy Minister has slammed the company that owns the Whyalla steelworks, saying hundreds of job losses in the local iron mining industry "could have been avoided".
Yesterday it was revealed about 350 jobs would be cut earlier than planned by contractor Golding Contractors which is involved in the mining of hematite, a type of iron ore, at Iron Knob north-west of the regional city.
Last year, the steelworks' owner GFG Alliance announced plans to wind down its mining of hematite as it shifted to mining magnetite — a form of iron ore suitable for green steel production.
But it is understood Golding has decided to end part of its operations this week despite previous plans to continue until around the middle of the year.
The pellet plant at the Whyalla steelworks, owned by GFG Alliance.(ABC News: Che Chorley)
Energy and Mining Minister Tom Koutsantonis said the cuts were triggered when "GFG made a board decision yesterday to end that contract" with Golding.
Mr Koutsantonis said he was only informed of that decision on Wednesday, and questioned why GFG Alliance had not yet pressed on with plans to extend mining operations in the hills around Whyalla.
"Those job losses, I think, could have been avoided," he said.
"All the approvals are in place, there is plenty of iron ore in those hills, it is the most lucrative and profitable part of Mr Gupta's business.
“It’s an eminently invest-able project, why that investment hasn’t come yet is a matter for GFG."
Mr Koutsantonis met with GFG executive chair Sanjeev Gupta last week after the company announced its blast furnace was operational following a four-month shutdown for significant repairs, but said he could not explain "why Mr Gupta didn't want to face the media".
Mr Koutsantonis questioned why GFG Alliance had not yet pressed on with plans to extend mining operations in the hills around Whyalla.(ABC News: Carl Saville)
The minister said he understood a "high proportion" of the impacted employees were fly-in fly-out workers, and that about 80 could be redeployed by GFG.
"GFG made a board decision yesterday to end that contract and Golding are now moving onto the other mine sites.
"In my experience, there have been a lot of big reveals in Whyalla, a lot of big pronouncements in Whyalla … [but] we're in a scenario now where we watch to see what they do, rather than what they say."
Mr Koutsantonis also revealed today that GFG Alliance is yet to finalise a $150m loan theyannounced they were working to secure by the end of 2024.
"I'm also still waiting on the $150m worth of loans they're talking about getting in to try and relieve some of the backlog of payments," he said.
"I understand that's now delayed to February as well."
The ABC has contacted Golding Contractors, for comment through their parent company NRW holdings.
GFG Alliance has also been contacted for comment.
Hamish Smith, who had worked at Golding for six years before being made redundant in September, said the latest job cuts announcement was "very disconcerting".
Hamish Smith was made redundant from Goldings in September as part of the first round of job cuts.
"I sort of feel for a lot of the people, knowing what's sort of coming — going through it only a few short months ago," he said.
"It's quite saddening to see it [the steelworks] in such a rocky situation, because it is such a vital part of Australia and South Australia specifically."
Mr Smith said “there’s a lot of uncertainty and angst” in Whyalla after the recent announcements.
“I think for the foreseeable future Whyalla is in a bit of a dark, dark space,” he said.
“There’s definitely hope but I think it probably needs to be better managed.”
Whyalla Mayor Phill Stone told ABC Radio Adelaide he was also only informed yesterday of the decision to bring forward the job losses.
"The reason why they've now brought it forward, I can't answer that," he said.
"The first I heard of it was, I did have a private very brief briefing just before the announcement yesterday that this was happening. It was to keep council in the loop as to what they were doing."
Mr Stone said the decision came barely a week after the city breathed a "big sigh of relief" at the news that the blast furnace was up and running.
The owner of Whyalla's steelworks has ended its contract with mining company Goldings, the SA government says.(ABC News: Che Chorley)
He said he understood about 30 per cent of the 350 workers were "local employees".
"The rest are contractors who come from elsewhere. Some come down from Port Augusta, that primarily work at Iron Knob. That workforce is mainly from outside Whyalla," he said.
"But yes, they're jobs going from somewhere in South Australia."
Opposition calls for transparency
Shadow Minister for Mining Stephen Patterson has called for the government to be transparent saying Mr Koutsantonis “should be up in Whyalla”.
“The government needs to come out and tell us what their contingency plan is,” he said.
“The relationship between GFG and the state government needs to be strong, the fact that we’ve got the government now at odds with GFG is deeply concerning.”
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He was suspected of being Bendigo. Maybe the mods worked it out.
Subject re: you should be ashamed of yourselves
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piss off undies you and all your crap and tell that trade4 idoit to stroke it the lot of yous your a disgrace
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so who should be ashamed of themselves
it squite ironic !
Isn't talking to ones self a form of madness
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fark u 2 fool ramper
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Posted by trade4profit
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diatribe...
Here are the posts you refer to "6 - 8 weeks ago"...
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Subject copper strike.. have struck copper
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Good announcement today
Promising new company
Good board
Good territory
go the ASX website & check out the announcment.
Cheers
Bendigo
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all ready on them bendigo......awaiting further annonucements.......
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Posted by Dezneva
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Yep, I agree. I know the people as well. They have a whole heap of old TEC ground. Its a great hit. and I think they are continuing the drilling.
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These were the first 3 posts ever on CSE.
Although Dezneva only posted "...I know the people as well...", I can see how you may have remebered that as "...the boss being a good bloke..."
Problem is, it was Bendigo he was replying to and not you!
How do you explain that?
Cheers!
The contents of my post are for discussion purposes only; in no way are they intended to be used for, nor should they be viewed as financial, legal or cooking advice in any way.
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well picked up T4P
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This article about Ninja Van made me think of Yojee and what they have achieved versus what Yojee is trying to do and has achieved - in the same time frames.
https://www.cnbc.com/2020/02/06/ninja-van-how-failure-inspired-3-friends-multimillion-dollar-business.html
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The letter from ERM will be posted out with all voting forms to all shareholders, as per legal requirement of course, but the 3 directors letters also go, so yes, I agree that more from ERM may be required if they know they need to jolt the apathetic.
Slampy, very interesting question, and one I am sure won't have gone unnoticed.
Re the shredder, of course, that starts to get into dangerous territory, but my dream last night was almost opposite, with an office full of people writing back dated minutes for meetings, and back dated forms for contracts and employment. It was a hectic dream, and I hope there's no reality in it at all.
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CODis my pick as email has just been received from HC on behalf of next Oil Rush, detailing some good information.
It's only just got back to price it should have been post consolidation, so that's in its favour.
Very little to sell, I like that, as it will move quickly.
Many won't have received the email yet as they're at work, etc.
Read more here.
http://www.nextoilrush.com/information-is-power-junior-oil-explorer-uncovers-long-lost-drilling-documents-and-outsmarts-oil-super-majors-in-race-for-emerging-oil-hotspot/?utm_source=HCMO
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Salty - howsabout an email update please imo!!- *Removed* this post has been removed from public view
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Lots of reading today!
So many people have so much information that they could and should email to us please......
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