Or maybe the best way to get beyond a troll who has no interest...

Or maybe the best way to get beyond a troll who has no interest in OCC, is actually use it as an opportunity to post something relevant to the actual thread and bring the discussion back to ATI - HC is 95% dross, which is why I try to be informative on my posts. Again, look forward to some informative contribution from yourself, rather than contributing to the dross....as you just did yourself.

Love some intelligent discussion on here DMurphy, but you actually have to contribute something to encourage it.

So go on then.....give us some insight Murty'. Get us started....give us something other than dross.