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These guys absolutely suck. I'm sick of them, they are a cancer on the Earth. Do not let them in what ever you do. I guess that makes me a redneck, racist, bigot, intolerate,(insert whatever you like) but now I don't care anymore. THey can all f#@%k off....
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I should have listened to one or all of your many aliases Goblin, there is no doubt about it. I'd be buying flat out at 23c today if I had. Ah well, thems the breaks. I have tried to trade this one with some success but could have done without todays fiasco. Still, I've been in and out since 8c so perhaps not such a blow. Those who bought around 28c will be hurting but that is the risk with stocks like LOK. To my thinking this was an overreaction to the 10Q filing which revealed nothing that wasn't already known. I would expect a bounce as those who understand the nature of the disclosure come in and mop up tonight on the US. Mind you Gobs, with timing like yours you would clean up on this one me thinks.
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Check out what the big money was doing during the fall.
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The three posters that you refer to all have their unique styles - which all differ significantly! I can't understand how anyone could think that they are the same person!- *Removed* this post has been removed from public view
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A leopard does not change its spots, nor a tiger its stripes.
Their record indicates that they can't feel shame. With these "piggy backs" now approved, they will obtain even more power. Small investors, unless there one of their mates, will be the losers.- *Removed* this post has been removed from public view
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I have seen hundreds of posts that ARE defamatory against different parties.
My conscience is clear; I don't feel any remorse about what I posted. Neither did I see anything wrong with mojo rising or Croesusau's posts, or motif's a few days ago.
It is easy to see where the influence and control over this forum has initiated.
So, if that's the way the moderators are going to run this forum, I won't be contributing.
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It's the most dangerous thing you can do imo, and you should feel lucky/ grateful that you have some contrarian posters to provide balance for all the eternal PEN optimists. But what would I know?
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I'm in the same boat having traded PEN from time to time.
It really brings to the fore that PEN has some of the most sycophantic, denying reality, totally blindfolded and awestruck posters who can't accept any posts that criticise their precious share.
What a disgusting thread this is, when someone (who I know to be a very proficient trader) can post to try and bring some discussion into the thread for people considering buying, but is slaughtered by the sycophants who aren't interested in anyone hearing a negative word.
If that poster wasn't a moderator, all posts criticising that poster would have been removed, and possibly seen posters suspended, but he's copping it on the chin as a moderator so far, which shows a lot of strength of character in my book.
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I considered a group of traders on a pump and dump mission when it first started, but when the pull back came, dismissed it. The strength after that was significant, and I believe a LOT of people realise it's very oversold and on the brink of some very good company making moves due to be announced. Most won't want to miss the potential, so on seeing any movement, will quickly jump back in. That's no pump and dump.- *Removed* this post has been removed from public view
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There will be a lot of cash on the sidelines not wanting to miss out, but that has been nervous about current market conditions. Movement in stock price is enough to bring that money back in. Nothing to do with management, just investor psychology imo.
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Do you have a 2.7 million deposit for a new home?
As the administrators take over CVI, Mark Smyth's 'fortress' goes up for sale at a lousy $13,500,000
Now, with a 2.7million deposit, and interest rate of 7.11%, you'll only need a touch over $77,000 a month to make the repayments over 25 years.
Feeling sick enough yet?
Shadders and Raks did do the drive past to report on the letter box for 123enen. I remember it well from just after the EGM days.
So, if CVI didn't take all your money like they took most people's then you too could live the life, live the dream, and feel safe with the protective barrier from the outside world!
Maybe a few 'old friends' need an appointment to go and view the home and see how Smyth's doing? Is the dementia well advanced yet? Any house guests? Malcolm Johnson, Anton Tarkanyi, excelsior perhaps?
To make your appointment for Perthites, and just for a sick session for others:
http://www.domain.com.au/Property/For-Sale/House/WA/Mosman-Park/?adid=2008821829
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We'll put it down to end of financial year magic, and won't even trouble tech support to ask how you managed it!
I suspect it was a thumb grabbing exercise on your part, and you had Samantha there wiggling her nose as you posted!
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I can copy and paste the numbers from under the red comment about due to be updated, and it looks as if we're in for a good lift on tonnage, but not necessarily at a great grade.
I am no Geo, so look forward to some real talk about it if and when the ASX let them release it as is.
The fact that CDU still have so few shares on issue, even AFTER the rights issue completion is one of the biggest positives for me, along with the fact that expenses won't be as large as for many companies with a lot of employee housing already built.
Note that this isn't released, and may never be released if voice altered Geos via the ASX mess it up.
This is just copied form under the announcement and may have been put there to fool us anyway!
30.3mt @ 1.7% CuEq
(0.8% cut-off) Measured and Indicated
97.9mt @ 0.96% CuEq
(0.4% cut-off) Measured and Indicated
272.9mt @ 0.62% CuEq
(0.2% cut-off) Measured & Indicated and inferred
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Right now, imo it's a buy.
What does that have to do with anything else?
Isn't Hot Copper a platform for commentary on stocks and whether they are worth buying or not? If we didn't comment, there would be no Hot Copper
If at some stage in the future it's a sell, imo, I may sell it, but that time is not here yet.
Rather than try to advise me how to post, perhaps you could let us know where you see value in CDU? Do you wait for it to be proven and moving up again?
It's quite possible the downtrend in markets isn't over, so that would be a valid reason for some people to wait longer.
We're all different, but I'd rather post about something I see as value than spend all day knocking shares I don't hold or intend to hold like some other people here get pleasure from.
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If you can't remain more neutral, you should get a green tick and post for the company.
You simply can't give a value on it without ALL the information.
Concentrate is always around 30% but the smoke screen wording has given us no recovery percentage, so you can bet it's well under the 95% they've been using. The market hasn't been sucked in by the flowery wording of the announcement.- *Removed* this post has been removed from public view
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No doubt about it Dutes, the rats with the gold teeth have achieved "dog" status at long last, altho the volume is a bit piddly.
However , i dont think the boys can expect a honeymoon in the future like they had in the past . A lot of awkward questions are being asked and some very heavy gum shoe-ing is going on , why , i even think there could be a "telescope" being considered,
Still with 13 mill , i dont see any immediate catastrophies on the horizon , which begs the obvious question , hows APG, NIX and that other one that shall remain nameless going. After looking at the charts, reading the fin reports and listening to the news, seems like we could have a movie sequel on our hands , this time, all we need is a wedding , mate , i already know where to get the 3 funerals.
Cheers
OI NQ , how they hanging?
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To some extent not much has changed... RE price forecast have fallen slightly, capex and opex estimations have risen slightly, but payability for mon-con has risen by more on a cheap Chinese fixed price toll for an overall lift in Stage 1 free cash flow and NPV. Still, the NdPr price assumptions required to attract private equity funding (now ~$250M by my calc) look unrealistically high. US$100/kg NdPr-Ox would make the better deposits profitable, ILU used $106/kg in there Eneabba refinery study, but the prices HAS are quoting include 13% VAT (value added tax) in China...
Either you sell into China and lose the 13% VAT (like our GST), or you sell outside China and hope for a 13% 'ex-China' premium, but you can't have both. If HAS toll treat in China, that LOM $58.5/kg TREO that delivers A$9,696M Net Revenue will actually be US$51.8/kg and only deliver A$8,390M LOM net revenue. However, when top-line revenue drops but costs stay the same, all-important margin falls exponentially, in this case $3,345 LOM free cash flow falls by ~40% to A$2,072M. Highly leveraged to REO prices to say the least.
The update is all about the Chinese fixed toll price deal though, and not just because $1M of Nov'23 performance rights were linked to signing a new Term Sheet (the other hurdles are unachievable or aspirational). The May'23 Update had Stage 1 Opex at $190Mpa (US$15.43/kg TREO). This update has lower AUD, higher opex with more drying and escalation etc, so I thought A$22Mpa was a reasonable figure with which to deduce the fixed tolling cost of A$100Mpa or A$13.5/kg TREO (guided Feb'24 Opex + MREC, REO Sep'n = US$22.50/kg TREO)...
To see just how cheap that was, I looked at ILU 2021 Feasibility Study for an example of western MREC-to-REO Sep'n costs. Eneabba was estimated to cost A$160M in opex alone processing 24ktpa mon-con in table below (vs Yangi 34.5ktpa) at A$13/kg TREO. At a similar size 36ktpa mon-con Eneabba-Wimmera feed like Yangi, unit opex drops to $11.50 for ~A$212M opex. More REO in Eneabba mon-con (60% TREO) than Yangi (27% TREO), so perhaps it's a bit cheaper on the REO-Separation so lets round down to A$200M opex annually.
ILU announced a capex increase from $1.3B to $1.5-1.8B recently... anybody believe it will not end up closer to $1.8B? What is the opex escalation with inflation and reality between 2021 and 2024 Real prices? If capex has risen by ~35%, it's likely opex has gone up by at least 25%, so it would cost ILU ~$250M in 2024 prices to toll treat 34.5kt of Yangi mon-con... vs $100M in the new Term Sheet.
Toll treaters don;t just want to cover costs, they need to cover depreciation and sustaining capex, plus make a profit on the effort and risk. What do you think ILU's depreciation and sustaining capex is on a $1.8B plant? I'll assume 15 year depreciation as a business case (because Niron might perfect iron-nitride perm magnets one day, then it's all mothballed) or $120M per year. I'll assume between sustaining maintenance, TSF lifts and rehab etc there's another $30Mpa, so ILU need another $150M in addition to the $250M opex to cover the investment. That $400M still doesn;t make ILUJ a return on the $1.8B investment and effort/risk of proving the west with ex-China RE-Oxides though. What is a fair post Depreciation rate of return on $1.8B plant... say 10% or another $180M (you can get 6% in a big 4 Oz bank bond FFS, no effort, no risk).
So, ILU would want to charge A$580M annually to toll treat Yangi mon-con, which is a ridiculous amount of money. Even at the US$144/kg NdPr price Yangi would be cash flow negative, it's a non-starter. Fortunately ILU have near free mon-con feed, preferred annual royalty payments before distribution and interest for the government etc. ILU will try and capitalise any gains in the REO price and socialise the losses if prices don;t rise... but at least they have cheap monazite to have a crack.
Maybe ILU opex, depreciation and profit margins are overs? Maybe Shenghe's offtake deal with PEK's Ngualla mine late last year (one of China's largest RE feed processors). Shenghe are huge, 20% owners of PEK, and desperate to replace Mountain Pass bastaesite feed that is soon to processed in the US in there otherwise shut down plant. Talk about a motivated Chinese off-take partner... you'd think they would offer the best tolling deal possible to get Ngualla up and running.
Despite Ngualla's bastnaesite feed being sweet and much cheaper than monazite to crack to MREC, best Shnghe can do is ~44% payability at today's Spot NdPr price, up to ~53% payability at US$150/kg NdPr (similar to Yangi's Update assumption). OK, so a REAL Chinese feed processor can only offer say 55% payability for bastnaesite con if pushed, yet Baotou Sky Rock who has NO processing plants of their own can offer HAS ~50% payability at spot, but quickly escalating up to high 60's payability at LOM assumption pricesI smell more than a turd, I smell a rat...
Not saying a Chinese middleman couldn;t find enough spare capacity to process 10ktp mon-con for peanuts, or maybe that the Chinese government wouldn't encourage it to undermine western downstream developments, but it just feels like too big a drop in toll charges, by too small a bit-player, against the evidence the biggest feed importer running around doing deals with the west. I mean, Sky Rock is pulling the rug out from under Shenghe and completely up-ending China's new consolidated price control approach. It feels like the Term Sheet has plenty of out clauses, if this is China actually starting a new phase of undermining western downstream processors with aggressive new off-take discounts?
Just thinking about some players I follow... BSE just came out with a bi-product monazite study for their Toliara min sand deposit and they assumed a traditional 35% payability for monazite...
VHM Goschen DFS March'23 assumed ~37.5% payability for mon-con, and they have some very serious xenotime DyTb credits (and just signed an offtake with Shenghe Jan'24 as coincidence has it).
But middlemen like Sky Rock and other unknown processors will toll Yangi monazite for a 68% payability... I want to call BS! For another thing, Yangi loses 13.7% of the mon-con TREO to MREC, and another ~5% to RE-Oxide separation, while the min sand mon-con is super clean (90% monazite), >60% TREO grade, only loses 10% to MREC-RE-Ox Sep'n, and all the cracking plants are set-up for min sand monazite because that's the only mon-con on the market... I need to call BS.
Makes me wonder if besides triggering $1M PR's to management, perhaps this super-cheap fixed price tolling term sheet is really about rattling a sabre to the Australian government to cough up big grants to HAS or lose Yangi to China and undermine the whole process? Makes me wonder if Alpha Investment Partners are not quietly selling down the 6.5M shares they got to raise funds under the new 'at-the-market equity finance facility' in lieu of the traditional brokered CR's that HAS arranged last November. Makes me wonder if Twig the master subsidy seeker is right now twisting some minister's ear about how much and when Yangi government assistance would suit him...
Whatever the plan or it's bona fides, the clock is ticking and having dropped one in the pot, the market will only sit on it so long before completely moving on imo.
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He was suspected of being Bendigo. Maybe the mods worked it out.
Subject re: you should be ashamed of yourselves
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Posted by diatribe
IP 203.51.xxx.xxx
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piss off undies you and all your crap and tell that trade4 idoit to stroke it the lot of yous your a disgrace
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Subject re: you should be ashamed of yourselves
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Posted by bigdump
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so who should be ashamed of themselves
it squite ironic !
Isn't talking to ones self a form of madness
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Subject re: you should be ashamed of yourselves
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Posted by diatribe
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fark u 2 fool ramper
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Subject re: you should be ashamed of yourselves
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Posted by trade4profit
IP 144.139.xxx.xxx
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diatribe...
Here are the posts you refer to "6 - 8 weeks ago"...
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Subject copper strike.. have struck copper
Posted 17/01/05 16:17 - 132 reads
Posted by bendigo
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Good announcement today
Promising new company
Good board
Good territory
go the ASX website & check out the announcment.
Cheers
Bendigo
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Subject re: copper strike.. have struck copper
Posted 17/01/05 16:32 - 112 reads
Posted by NR
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all ready on them bendigo......awaiting further annonucements.......
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Subject re: copper strike.. have struck copper
Posted 18/01/05 08:30 - 112 reads
Posted by Dezneva
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Yep, I agree. I know the people as well. They have a whole heap of old TEC ground. Its a great hit. and I think they are continuing the drilling.
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These were the first 3 posts ever on CSE.
Although Dezneva only posted "...I know the people as well...", I can see how you may have remebered that as "...the boss being a good bloke..."
Problem is, it was Bendigo he was replying to and not you!
How do you explain that?
Cheers!
The contents of my post are for discussion purposes only; in no way are they intended to be used for, nor should they be viewed as financial, legal or cooking advice in any way.
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well picked up T4P
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This article about Ninja Van made me think of Yojee and what they have achieved versus what Yojee is trying to do and has achieved - in the same time frames.
https://www.cnbc.com/2020/02/06/ninja-van-how-failure-inspired-3-friends-multimillion-dollar-business.html
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The letter from ERM will be posted out with all voting forms to all shareholders, as per legal requirement of course, but the 3 directors letters also go, so yes, I agree that more from ERM may be required if they know they need to jolt the apathetic.
Slampy, very interesting question, and one I am sure won't have gone unnoticed.
Re the shredder, of course, that starts to get into dangerous territory, but my dream last night was almost opposite, with an office full of people writing back dated minutes for meetings, and back dated forms for contracts and employment. It was a hectic dream, and I hope there's no reality in it at all.
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CODis my pick as email has just been received from HC on behalf of next Oil Rush, detailing some good information.
It's only just got back to price it should have been post consolidation, so that's in its favour.
Very little to sell, I like that, as it will move quickly.
Many won't have received the email yet as they're at work, etc.
Read more here.
http://www.nextoilrush.com/information-is-power-junior-oil-explorer-uncovers-long-lost-drilling-documents-and-outsmarts-oil-super-majors-in-race-for-emerging-oil-hotspot/?utm_source=HCMO
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Salty - howsabout an email update please imo!!- *Removed* this post has been removed from public view
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Lots of reading today!
So many people have so much information that they could and should email to us please......
[email protected]
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