Fair shout, that is where I think we will have to agree to disagree. At that AISC and current POG I see little value in the project, albeit highly leveraged so could look better really quickly if POG goes out the top. I have to use a DCF calc to value at the moment and simply cant use present or forecast earnings to model a valuation, given the tiny sample of guidance met....particularly given I think they will find it hard to meet guidance this qtr. They will need absolutely everything to go right IMO.