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    @Big finn
    @Web24601

    Firstly, happy long weekend all!

    I'm due to comment to a few things, but wanted to jump in because there's some uneasy group action going on with unclear facts..

    Web, you seem to have popped up very recently in December as newcomer - welcome!

    You've said the following:

    "Even in places like Cali, where you can stroll down to your local dispensary, chat to a bud tender, and walk out with x grams of Grandaddy Purple (pick a strain) that worked well last month, but for some reason fails to deliver this time around."

    This comment interested me very much, because if you're walking into a MM dispensary in Cali you're likely buying bud as the product - which you've said. You can call it 'medical' and try to group it with CGB products to come, but it's a world apart from what CGB are looking to do - for example, the XR Slow Release Canntab pill is not raw 'bud' but rather refined plant extract in pill format.

    Can you confirm what kind of product you're referring to being dispensed in that example when walking into a Cali dispensary?

    You've also gone on to talk about quality being a problematic issue. Sure is - when you are growing in an uncontrolled environment, which is completely different to specific controlled indoor growing facilities we are talking with Medcan. Apples and oranges my friend.

    "For this his reason many people who've been down the cannabis track to treat specific illness are now moving back to pharma."Are you talking about Americans again? I'd sure be going back to pharma when my product is not always grown in a controlled facility & susceptible to change.

    You've also talked about synthetic lookalikes/substitutes. I'd love some clarity here - are you really inferring synthetic MM substitute? Or are you talking simple synthetic marijuana? Best you be clear, as they are very different & CGB has no current recreational interest. A lot will be mislead if you aren't clear here.

    Finn, good to see you've apparently become topical scholar since joining the meaningful conversations in October. An investment in research is one of the best you can make

    I can see the comments on the Methodone program - and I do agree that you cannot replace the program in whole by simply substituting MM, but MM could become a meaningful step-down component in the overall process of weening people from addiction/dependency altogether. There is a future opportunity somewhere in there. The number of individuals on those programs is staggering - though it would take a very big legislative swing to incorporate it

    *Before you j'guarantee' I've never met an addict or spoken to a doctor etc - I can tell you that I am versed with 6 years of experience working as part of businesses within the pharmaceutical/PBS sector. I know how the program works, and I have first hand dealt with dispensing pharmacists/techs & spoken with those on the program & stepped through their processes, progressions & digressions.

    You have asked Pizza for references to comments. Might I note, you have (imo) referenced only a generic quote from a well-known doctor but nothing scholarly.

    “Anything that stimulates the reward center in the midbrain is likely to trigger a relapse,” says Mark Calarco, doctor of osteopathic medicine and national medical director for American Addiction Centers. “If you step them down to marijuana, there is a good chance that they will go back to their drug of choice. If we can guarantee that they stay on marijuana only, I can live with that. But it won’t happen."There is nothing specific in this line of commentary whatsoever - aside from mentioning "marijuana". You've referenced a personal 'quote', not research. This same paragraph could be used 10 times over by  just substituting 'marijuana' to an alternative. This is also not 'medical marijuana'. The properties of marijuana and medical marijuana are inherently different. It appears the quote may be making reference to recreational marijuana.

    And of course the doctor won't guarantee anything. He wouldn't guarantee anything in the medical field. That is probably learning #1 in the AMA, knowing the litigious nature of the U.S. Unfortunately this rule of thumb takes us back to the basis of science itself - nothing is ever completely proven; the only real evidence comes from things disproved, hence no guarantees.

    Can you refer us to the full article you have taken the quote from so we can view the whole discussion? It would be of interest as well if it's on the topic of MM

    @Taiji11 If you don't mind me asking, do you have a background in naturopathy or eastern medicine? Good to have someone of this backing on the thread if so!

    @pizza8686 Dominos has lost favour in my household.. Pizza hut has taken head! Probably a good response of them to move outside of pizza as their core offering. All this typing has given me pizza pangs! Might just rock up to an AGM with a communal one - you a fan of pep with extra cheese?
    Last edited by Luke164: 28/01/19
 
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