Australia's largest stock trading and investment forum Australia's #1 stock forum

RAP

Click for more information

0.00%

20.5¢ raptor resources limited

Thanks SEAH and Shane01. Faith restored. This forum has been...

Currently unlisted. Proposed listing date: 4 SEPTEMBER 2024 #

First 178 Last

Share
Profile

Follow
Live.Wire

7 Posts.

30/09/16

22:08

Post #: 19552901
Share

Originally posted by Shane01 ↑

My brother and also my best friend of 33 years (and his wife) are all vets, each of them tremendously intelligent, compassionate and wonderful human beings. For the 25 years of my adult life, there's no one I trusted more than this best friend (my brother lives in Canada) to diagnose my own and my children's medical issues (you might say we were tele-health pioneers from the land line days). While this might raise a few eyebrows, the fact that we lived in several different cities, towns and country areas meant that we never really had that trusted, long-term family doctor. And having experienced the good, the bad and the ugly from a wide variety of medical professionals, I found myself always wanting to hear from that one, constant, sure voice that I could trust. To this day, I still think that vets would make the best doctors. They seem to have an extra level of perception when it comes to diagnosis and treatment - not just because their patients can't talk, but because they are constantly presented with an astounding breadth of problems to solve. And because of this, they are always open to new information and opportunities to learn.

It also helps that they're not treated like infallible gods.

Which brings me to my case in point: human fallibility and misdiagnosis.

Not two weeks ago, this same veterinary couple, while on holidays on the Sunshine Coast, took their 10 year old daughter to an after-hours emergency department with what they suspected was a severe middle ear infection. The junior doctor on duty 'instructed' them that there was absolutely nothing wrong. They'd explained that she'd had a long history of such problems, and that they felt that it was a repeat of something they'd seen dozens of times before.

The doctor reiterated his initial diagnosis.

My friend's wife then reluctantly told the doctor that they were vets, with a combined 45 years experience, and that given their daughter's medical history, the symptoms she was displaying, and her obvious level of extreme discomfort, that they felt very strongly that it was indeed a middle ear infection - and asked politely (and desperately) whether he could please take another look.

The doctor was affronted. He refused to double check. He also, of course, refused pain relief and the course of antibiotics (that she was subsequently prescribed by a different doctor the very next day).

Six hours later, their daughter's ear drum burst, leaking copious amounts of green pus.

Whether it was incompetence, inexperience, technological limitations, stress, tiredness, ego - or perhaps a combination of these - the fact is that he refused to let new, qualified information (data input) affect his original diagnosis. He refused to learn.

And that is the true wonder of this ResApp invention. It is always open to new information. Learning is what defines it. Learning from each and every new case is the very key to its success.

And even though I've been following RAP for a while, it was only today, thanks to two magnificent posts, that I really learned why I have invested some of my life savings into this magnificent technology. Thank you SEAH and Pixie - I am indebted to you.

I was inspired to research the history of the stethoscope itself - and man - it puts this invention in mind-blowing perspective! And I even learned that there is a Syrian-Canadian doctor who has developed a 3D-printed stethoscope (based on an out-of-patent design) for use in developing nations - and that this great act was inspired by his time inside a war zone where sanctions had denied the supply of even basic medical equipment.

And this, of course, brings us full circle - to the 'why?' this idea came about in the first place - to help people. It will help save millions of lives (including animals too, hey SEAH). It will inspire myriad other medical uses. And yes, as a by-product of all this good, it will also help those of us blessed with the opportunity to believe in it, to grow our wealth.

And while many here are transfixed by the day to day and minute by minute machinations of the market, I prefer to focus on the bigness and the brilliance of an idea whose time has come.

Who knows, it might even help a dad to get his own place again. Where the kids have their own rooms. And instead of them referring to leaving "Dad's place" to go "home", maybe they'll just have two 'homes'. SEAH, I feel your pain there, brother. I've come out the other side. And now my kids have grown. And while my little shoe box has never lost the moniker of 'Dad's place', today at least I can focus on helping them to one day better afford their own homes.

And one day I'll be able to tell my grandkids, "You know, when your Pa was just 45 years young, he was lucky enough to be in the right place, at the right time, to become a part owner (a teeny tiny part) of one of the best ideas EVER!"

"Pa, is this the ResApp story again?"

"You're damn right it is!"

Expand

Thanks SEAH and Shane01. Faith restored. This forum has been doing my head in the last couple of days. The nastiness, bickering and bullying at times has been astounding and has had me wanting to sign out for good, like I've noticed some other long term Rappers have. But I'm really glad I persevered, and got the opportunity to read your posts. I found them very insightful and really quite moving.

Which brings me to the topic of cognitive bias - and the obvious bias shown by the doctor in Shane01's post. That particular doctor's inability to learn and subsequent failure to provide an appropriate level of care.

As a Forensic Scientist of 11 years, the discussion about inability to learn, made me reflect on one of the topical issues in our profession of late - cognitive bias - and it made me contemplate the power of learning algorithm's such as ResApp to combat these biases. As a doctor, what is the minimum amount of information you need to do your job properly? To diagnose disease properly? How often do you think doctors let extraneous factors effect their diagnosis and course of treatment? How often are they influenced by irrelevant judgements of a particular patients character or believability? Or a case last week where the patient presented with some of the same symptoms and were diagnosed with this so I'm going to assume you have that too and treat you for it without ordering any diagnostic tests? - This happened to me two months ago - three times - three different GP's. I presented to the first GP with a specific set of respiratory symptoms and a history of post viral reactive asthma - based on my history I was prescribed Symbicort (asthma medication). I got worse. I went back to the doctor, the original GP wasn't working so I saw another one at the same practice. He listened to my symptoms and said "there's been a bit of Mycoplasma going around lately" so he prescribed a suitable course of antibiotics for this with no diagnostic tests performed. I got worse. After a Friday night of coughing until I vomited, I ended up at the after hours clinic on Saturday morning. This third GP decided it was most likely Pertussis (whooping cough) because of my symptoms (and because he himself had Pertussis once and my cough was similar to his). He ordered some tests (bloods, throat swab and chest X-ray) and changed the antibiotics the second doctor had prescribed to something more suitable for Pertussis along with a prescription for oral steroids to settle my lungs. The oral steroids finally offered me some relief. The blood test and throat swab were negative for Pertussis (the bloods showed elevated inflamation markers only) and my chest X-ray was clear - no pneumonia. I had three weeks off work all up over a four week period - that's a fair whack of lost productivity for my employer.

It's a bit of a long winded example, but my point is - with ResApp, we could have ruled out the asthma and pneumonia at the initial consultation and had a better idea of what the true infection was and the appropriate course of treatment. I may not have gotten as sick as I did and had so much time off work. High fives all round.

I'm truly excited by the potential for this product, at the same time as I am in awe of the great history that is the stethoscope.

Lets no get bogged down in the minute by minute anticipation of announcement deadlines and trading halts. We have the big picture after all, a picture potentially bigger than the stethoscope.

Cheers all,

Live.Wire

RAP Price at posting: 48.8¢ Sentiment: Buy Disclosure: Held
48 Upvote

0 Great analysis

Reply

Top Stories

3DA

To make modern missiles, you need 3D Printing. And in that gold rush, Amaero is selling shovels

CPV

ClearVue inks deal with UK heated glass player to combine solar tech with its offering

MKT

The ASX can overlook its Telecomm small-caps. Here’s one diversified brand with an international footprint

AR3

Overland drilling proves promising for Australian Rare Earths' uranium hopes

Trump is President Again: What Does This Mean for Crypto?

There are more pages in this discussion • 58 more messages in this thread...

First 178 Last

Add RAP (ASX) to my watchlist