"I continue to believe that the independent entity/conscious self-aware intelligence, spirit of Christ always existed before He became the flesh known as Jesus."
Yes I understand that is what you see, I'll just cover a few things I see or consider
If that be the case, WHY would he have simply not, say shown up out of the wilderness at say the age of 30 and then spread the good news?
It makes absolutely ZERO sense, that a pre-exiting one, would effectively have all his memory sucked out, and have to learn all over again = what would be the purpose of it?
For people to suggest the likes of, that he had to experience what it's like to be human, tempted etc etc, is a load of rubbish as both he and the Father, would already know all this, without question.
When he was maturing, he grew in favor with God Luke 2:52 = if he pre-existed, when and why was there a time that he wasn't ALWAYS in favor with God?
To say as many do, that this is only speaking of the flesh aspect of him is to totally abandon what the Bible clearly shows, and ADD ones own CREATION which simply does NOT exist??????????????????????
He is a 2nd Adam Man and other than a plan to be, there was no pre-existing, just like the 1st.
In short, 1st made of dust - earthly and the 2nd made by the word and power of God which came down from heaven = deemed as heavenly, not made of dust.
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There are verses that say he was made, which would also mean created -> I assume from your view, that you at least accept this for the flesh aspect of Jesus -> is that correct?
John 1:3 - All things were made through Him, and without Him nothing was made that was made.
The likes of Isa 44:24, make it very clear that the Father, alone and by himself, created/made all things.
Therefore, 1:3 would have to include Jesus, flesh aspect if you like as we are talking "all things" here.
Therefore he is already flesh before 1:14 - And the Word Man -> he is being referenced here as Word Man - became -> on the scene -> and dwelt among us.........
1:14's truth does not say -> And the Word became Man and there is a Big difference, despite what the troops say and what's been going around all these years.
In 1:1, if John was talking about Jesus, he would have simply used his name, no two ways about it.
1:1 is the Father -> Word God -> Image -> Word Man.
Hence Jesus is deemed as a Word of God, titled "The" = Word of THE WORD, hence the name - The Word "of" God.
Product, results of the word of God = Luke, Isa 55:10, 11 for example.
Even if one claims Jesus is the Word in 1:1, he is being referenced as Word and as he is the image, he has to be the image of WORD..
Your expressed words are your person expressed, the very reason Jesus became the express image, expressing out the Fathers Person Heb 1:3, John 14:10.
WORD = Door -> House (Kingdom, Temple) -> Head = The God and Father.
In my Fathers house................Jesus -> I am in the Father and what are we supposed to be the image of = same, Temples etc.
And what else would the image be -> Alpha Omega's -> A to Z, the a, b, c's -> the building blocks to our life and to form the words that we'll express from our selves, the US.
BUT we are Not "The" Alpha Omega's.
When you examine some Key words mate, in the Hebrew, with their letter meanings and numbers, a Key theme keeps showing up -> Into class, school, kids as Daddy is going to teach you, and one thing of several that shows up, thousands are going to be produced = words of which is also to draw thousands of people for the family of the Fathers.
You see in Isa, God reveals the end from the 'Beginning' -> hence as per the above method you see the end in the word 'beginning' and Lo - Behold, you see where Jesus comes into the picture = another cross referencing.
And with these brief examples here, you can align many Bible verses to support them, which shows you that you're not running up a gum tree lol.
As crazy as it may sound to people, for some reason (???), there IS ONE Key to the entire Bible message, come theme = WORD, from which come words, the expression of ones self.
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