Another shout of praise goes up to Jehovah!

Originally posted by whereu ↑

Some secular countries make it difficult, for example in Indonesia there are only 6 religions recognised - so the small number of Jews have to put down Christian on their documents. Even worse if you Blaspheme in public chat - 7 years prison for saying you don't believe there is a God on Facebook.

Many feel it their right to target the Jews. Some Middle Eastern Countries do not have Israel on their maps as if that will make Israel disappear.

Some who do believe in the existence of a God (but not Jews) believe that Israel exists through a special favour provided by their God. They claim that the fact that Israel and the Jewish community still exist despite the efforts of countless millions to destroy them over the last couple of thousands years as evidence for their position.

What do Indonesian authorities hope to gain by imprisoning people for 7 years for stating their beliefs about a God on a public forum? Do they believe that those who don't believe in the existence of a God will change their minds or just lie like Jews have to do about their religious affiliation. If anything this measure will just entrench the non-believer more in his/her position. Do they believe that those who believe that a God exists will change their mind as a result of reading someone's opinion on Facebook? - if that is the case their belief is not exactly strong. In any case it should be a matter of personal choice and not something forced on them.

With laws like that do you still call Indonesia secular? I disagree.

It's the non-religious Antichrist/Dajjal group that will cause the most disruption - as we are starting to experiencing now - a lot more pain/disruption before we get to a more just and peaceful time.

It is true that those who cause disruption are not bound by religious or non-religious beliefs.

I have heard of too many examples of the religious being imprisoned or killed for stating a belief in a particular God. Most are examples of believers killing other believers for believing in the "wrong God".

In my opinion we will get peace from religion when we can regard religious belief as a personal choice rather than one that is forced on others by organisations that claim to speak for God.

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Anyway thanks for the information on the status for non-believers and Jews in Indonesia.

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"Anyway thanks for the information on the status for non-believers and Jews in Indonesia."

You're welcome

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"Many feel it their right to target the Jews. Some Middle Eastern Countries do not have Israel on their maps as if that will make Israel disappear.

Some who do believe in the existence of a God (but not Jews) believe that Israel exists through a special favour provided by their God. They claim that the fact that Israel and the Jewish community still exist despite the efforts of countless millions to destroy them over the last couple of thousands years as evidence for their position."
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It all goes back to King Soleman and false inheritance from there - Messiah to come and explain their differences of opinion between Jews/Christian Jews in due course, search Jassad (I think that's right - can't double check Jassad at the moment)

Just as the Qur'an talks about 3 different types of Christian, not all Jews the same too, you think the white European Jews ruling now are the same as the Orthodox darker skin forced into Yemen. Of course righteous Jews of all colours in all countries do exist. Must add that Muslims not all the same, some rightly guided/ following but many not. Qur'an states heaven will include some righteous Jews/Sabians/Christians some Muslims and some non-believers judged to be righteous enough by God. So all inclusive.

It's the attacking of Jews (political Israel) by Muslims in the Qur'an - God sanctioned at a later time - End Times that's misunderstood/ misinterpreted for hatred now and in the past by misguided religious/political leaders. Just as regime change was desired by the Pope in 1095 in the Holy lands with Crusades, the start of Islamphobia, following on from anti Catholic and anti Jewish in varying parts of the world. Politics and Religion ehh.

Anyway all the fighting will stop in a future age long after most of us have passed.