There should be threads for investors and trader/speculators and...

There should be threads for investors and trader/speculators and they shouldn't meet.

One problem with CCV is that they have been really especially evil ************s to the poorest and most vulnerable in society. Yes alternatives may be worse but they should strive to be better.

Many of CCV's woes stem from the fact that they pushed it too far. I haven't seen them take responsibility and change their ways.

If I was a shareholder or considered the price attractive I would pressure them to change. Ultimately though like SHJ this is a business that doesn't help people and should really be regulated out of existence.