Good to SEE you got bold and Big, tacking a "serious" stand in what you believe, apply that to actual truths, and who knows?
However, what a sad lad, situation as YOU cannot admit to yourself that YOU have just swallowed what another man has FED YOU = no question about it because if you sort the truth in the correct way and from the correct two, there is no way you would follow what you are = impossible unless you believe Jesus lied and there is not ONE Spirit of truth, The Almighty God and Father.
Goodness gracious mate, WHAT do you NOT grasp in the simple, simplistic following;
Mark 12:29 - And Jesus answered him, The
first of all the commandments
is, Hear, O Israel; The
LORD our God is
one LORD? As in ONE Apple!
Jesus's Words = John 20:17 - I ascend to
My Father and
Your Father and to
My God and
Your God.
Wotsup , the "he" in verse 27 is the "us and our" in verse 26 = The ONE God then EH?
How in the Hec can Jesus in the above be referring to God in the above, as there is only 2/3's of a God he is going to.
You can come up with all sorts of twisted answers, but YOU cannot hide behind this stupidity that you are swallowing, impossible.
Now don't come this Rot that I do not understand how a non existent trinity works, I have read the best of them.
ONE means ONE as in one apple in the context that Jesus uses it here.
When Jesus says, I and the Father are one, it is referring to ONE in Unity, an entirely different context, but lets let him show us;
John 17:20-21 - Neither pray I for these alone, but for them also which shall believe on me through their word;
That they all may be one; as thou, Father, art in me, and I in thee, that they also may be one in us: that the world may believe that thou hast sent me.
Are YOU going to try and to me that we are God as well?
Wotsup
If "by" is not an option then why did you use it in a quote from the KJV?
Why is there one rule for you and another for everybody else?
You know the stupid part here, I have explained this to you already more than once.
You obviously have zero idea as to how the other spirit blinds you eyes from what's in your very face.
God said he would send delusions and you WILL believe lies and you will NOT even know or be able to accept you are = unbelievable how hooked people are and how they are not prepared to seriously read and help themselves, astounding and staggering?
If I have used this KJV and not corrected it as I most often do and PREVIOUSLY provided it to YOU, it is because this particular part or point, is NOT part of the discussions, so I leave it or make no comment, so as to avoid the discussions being side tracted.
Not to mention, it seems you lot can't handle too much info at once and get all confused.
Still it makes no difference to me, my point is that the exact same word from the Greek word DIA is used in both verses.
And I have been through this Rubbish and explained it to you before, goodness me?
DIA = By reason of, for the sake of, "because of" and through = all these meanings are the Greeks and not mine.
"ALL THESE MEANINGS" DEFINE the terms as to HOW we are to understand the "through" if that's the preferred word for you.
Now lets clear up the ridiculous LORD, Lord, matter that confuses YOU as you think every time LORD is mentioned in the OT it is referring to Jesus = Bull Dust does it.
Prophesy for the Future Jesus - Psa 110:1 - A Psalm of David. The LORD (Almighty God and Father) said unto my Lord, (Jesus Christ, the appointed Lord) Sit thou at my right hand, until I make thine enemies thy footstool.
Matt 22:44 - The LORD said unto my Lord, Sit thou on my right hand, till I make thine enemies thy footstool?
Psa 33:6 - By the Word of The LORD (Almighty God and Father) were the heavens made and all the host of them by the Breath of his Mouth = Spirit. = The ONE and ONLY Holy Spirit.
WHAT did you do with the following, wipe your backside on them, as there are plenty more exactly like it;
Neh 9:6 -
Thou, even thou, art LORD alone; thou hast made heaven, the heaven of heavens, with all their host, the earth, and all things that are therein, the seas, and all that is therein, and thou preservest them all; and the host of heaven worshippeth thee.
2 King 19:15 - And Hezekiah prayed before the LORD, and said, O LORD God of Israel, which dwellest
between the cherubims, thou art the God,
even thou alone, of all the kingdoms of the earth; thou hast made heaven and earth.
19 - Now therefore, O LORD our God, I beseech thee, save thou us out of his hand, that all the kingdoms of the earth may know that thou
art the LORD God,
even thou only.
1 King 8:60 - That all the people of the earth may know that the LORD
is God,
and that there is none else.
Psa 86:10 - For thou
art great, and doest wondrous things: thou
art God alone.
All things were made by/through the Word in John 1;3
Heb 11:3 - Through faith we understand that the worlds were framed by
the word of God, so that things which are seen were not made of things which do appear.
John 12:49 - For I have
not spoken of myself; but the Father which sent me, he
gave me a commandment, what I should say, and what I should speak.
Prophesy confirmed above = Due 18:18 - I
will raise them up a Prophet from among their brethren,
like unto thee, and will put
my words in his mouth; and he shall speak unto them all that
I shall command him.
And WHAT are these words and WHAT do they mean;
John 6:63 - Then Simon Peter answered him, Lord, to whom shall we go? thou hast the words of eternal life.
Meaning = 1 Peter 1:23 - Being born again, not of corruptible seed, but of incorruptible, by the word of God, which liveth and abideth for ever.
When does the ONE TRUTH say Jesus only spoke these Words, "The" Word = The Word of God;
Heb 1:1-2 - God, who at
sundry times and in divers manners spake in time past unto the fathers by the prophets,
Hath in these last days spoken unto us by his Son, whom he hath appointed heir of all things, by whom also he made the worlds;
Good heavens, these last days are only after His Baptism = WAKE UP!
What are YOU not seeing here???
All things were made by/ through by reason of, for the sake of, because of Jesus in Col :16
The Word is Jesus and Jesus is the Word Show me your Bible verses where Jesus in Gen said, let the be light, let there be life etc = you cannot = LIES;
2 Sam 7:12-14 - And when thy days be fulfilled, and thou shalt sleep with thy fathers, I will set up thy seed after thee, which shall proceed out of thy bowels, and I will establish his kingdom.
He shall build an house for my name, and I will stablish the throne of his kingdom for ever.
I
will be his father, and he
shall be my son. If he commit iniquity, I will chasten him with the rod of men, and with the stripes of the children of men:
No way possible that you can concoct any bull dust so say these types of verses, many of, even hint at, there was a pre-existing Jesus is any way shape of form other than in the minds and plans of The Almighty God and Father as in;
Titus 1:2 - In hope of eternal life, which God, that cannot lie, promised before the world began;
Gal 4:4 - But when the fulness of the time was come, (Baptism) God sent forth his Son, made of a woman, made under the law,
Eph 3:9 - And to make all men see (Some) what is the fellowship of the mystery, which from the beginning of the world hath been hid in God, who created all things.
Come on then, produce verses where Moses and Co thought this future one already existed!
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KJV 1:26And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth. 27So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them
Wotsup , the "he" in verse 27 is the "us and our" in verse 26 LIAR!
Wotsup I know you like to quote how Moses was an Elohim
but I suggest you read and understand why Moses was as god and who he was a god too
Do you SEE the stupidity in your words here and you don't even know your creating such rubbish.
We know full well Moses was deemed as "a" God and Jesus himself covers this area. (other gods).
The Abomination you do here, you ignore the SIMPLE facts, truth Moses was called, referred to as "a" Elohim.
You know full well that the said experts, (NOT), draw upon the Fact that God is Elohim and the long winded essays trumpeted that Elohim means plural THEREFORE The ONE GOD is, god the Father, god the Son and god the Holy Spirit.
With TOTAL ignorance to, WHAT the Bleepers does that make Elohim Moses as he, in NO way is THREE = YOU need to wake UP and grab a Brain.
To manipulate the meaning of this word like that is none other than Profanity and using God's name = WORD = "The" Word = The Word of God in VAIN!
All Elohim in the plural contexts definition IS = The Attributes of Moses and God and the basics of God = Spirit/Word/Light among many other things = plural.
From the Bible FACTS, actual truths, known information from the Bible of the "our and us" is, It's God wisdom personalized as it is CLEARLY done in Proverbs.
An Angel.
Or it could even have been Satan himself.
Eze 28:13 - Thou hast been in Eden the garden of God; every precious stone
was thy covering, the sardius, topaz, and the diamond, the beryl, the onyx, and the jasper, the sapphire, the emerald, and the carbuncle, and gold: the workmanship of thy tabrets and of thy pipes was prepared in thee in
the day that thou
wast created.
the day = Days only get mentioned in the Creation events in Gen.
He was created on "a" Day and the description given of him, "unless" YOU can provide contrary verses to say otherwise, "WE" like it or not have zero grounds to rule out him being part of the "ours and us" and in fact we have more support for this in the "OT" as we have zero in the OT for Jesus and the OT MUST without fail, interpret the NT.
Jesus repeatedly refers to it (OT) and we MUST follow his lead as in them, HE says,... is the Eternal life.
John 17:3 This moreover is "the" Eternal life, that they should know you, the only True God, and whom you have sent (Baptism timing), Jesus Christ.
Trinity, Oh no one can explain it (all said experts disclaimers) as God is a Mystery = LIARS as that would rule out life Eternal.
Jesus now exalted and named after the Almighty God and Father -->WORD - "THE" WORD = The Word of God, carries the name The Word "of" God. ("The" Alpha Omega = WORD).
Jesus's exalted name, neither says he is The Word and OR The Word of God = it represents the role he was given, and the role, glory, God planed for the future one who literally "only" began, existed at Mary "as Promised"!
Jesus was The carrier and God's Word is Light = The Very reason Jesus said, I am come "a" light into the world. (John).
God gives names that represent the role he has for that person = Abraham, means Father of many.
Well then Tonio, YOU have shown for some time now, your not interested in truth, so when you learnt to crawl, come back and "we" will see if we will teach you to walk in The True light, the one you lot DENY and steal.
