Daniel,One things for certain I am not a guru just some guy...

Daniel,

One things for certain I am not a guru just some guy caught up like a lot of other people in the mother of all credit crisis.

I think you are relatively young so you like me will have time to recover from this.

I read the same article.

Interesting that some people on hot copper have been saying the same thing that they maybe buying time

I have no doubts that these journalists get their stories from some of the messages on hot copper.

According to the guy I spoke to at the company banks want a whole lot more money back than what Martabe and Golden Grove sales will provide.

Yet you never know miracles have happenned in the past however I am not going to hold my breath for one.