"Regardless of your protests, I believe that Christ has always...

"Regardless of your protests, I believe that Christ has always existed in some intelligent self-aware form."

I understand what you believe, but I bet your initial thoughts on that, came from someone else and that you didn't just happen to pick up the Bible one day and read and go OH wow, Jesus pre-existed.
So those initial seeds that someone gave you, you then used that mindset to interpret verses and I once fell for that as well, led the same way and just swallowed it.

You have probably never even got serious and Looked at others views and whys against this, you should know, there are always two sides to a story.

Tell me mate, out of the numerous OT prophesies of the Jesus to be, NOT a single one even hints at, that this one to come already existed in some way shape or form who would come down and take upon flesh or enter a woman = that mate SHOULD get your bells RINGING?????????????????

Stay with the NT, and not copy paste of others, put up a few verses and lets let the Bible address them.

Have a Look at my post to Tonio, Matt 5:20 thread I think (?) on John 3:13 and the truth I showed from the Inter, then consider how you lot for all these years, swallowed the false thoughts based on the errors in translations.

Don't waste time on John 1:1, 2 that logos/plan = the Fathers plan and purpose shown to haven been expressed by 1:3
The man Jesus, yes the Made one, would clearly have been included in 1:3 All things were made.

1:14 is NOT when God's word, part of became or resulted in flesh, he is already referred to there as - Word Man (Flesh) became = on the scene.
Word God -> Image -> Word Man.