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  1. Wheres can this UPI article be found that everyone keeps referring to??

    The Drudge report times out.
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  2. Looking for stoploss on line.
    AOTonline? Challenger.com? Any others? AOT seems reasonable, $33 trade, $49.95/month, free if more than 8 trades/month. If database isn't accessed then $0/month. Seems reasonable, any opinions?
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  3. These guys absolutely suck. I'm sick of them, they are a cancer on the Earth. Do not let them in what ever you do. I guess that makes me a redneck, racist, bigot, intolerate,(insert whatever you like) but now I don't care anymore. THey can all f#@%k off....
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  7. not so stupid now Up 10% Gobs baby, when's the big sell off due? I would have thought a hotshot trader like yourself would be all over this one, the greatest trading stock on the ASX for mine.
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  8. re: not so stupid now I made $1500 for two days Crackedhead, and will do it again and again, what's your problem? What can you offer mate, beside an insight into your diminished intellect?
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  9. re: not so stupid now Yeah, right peanut, aren't you the mega trader? Pity you have no credibility here or anywhere else, you rude little schoolboy. Get a job and stop bugging people....
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  10. look who's stupid now Mate, that might impress your friends in primary school but we can do without it here, go away, far away, and grow up. Just another multi-nicked dickhead aren't you?
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  11. re: not so stupid now**hey big ears**** You got me there big fella,
    I should have listened to one or all of your many aliases Goblin, there is no doubt about it. I'd be buying flat out at 23c today if I had. Ah well, thems the breaks. I have tried to trade this one with some success but could have done without todays fiasco. Still, I've been in and out since 8c so perhaps not such a blow. Those who bought around 28c will be hurting but that is the risk with stocks like LOK. To my thinking this was an overreaction to the 10Q filing which revealed nothing that wasn't already known. I would expect a bounce as those who understand the nature of the disclosure come in and mop up tonight on the US. Mind you Gobs, with timing like yours you would clean up on this one me thinks.
    regards

    Check out what the big money was doing during the fall.

    http://mcribel.com/Le%76elC/%708%3940%36%31%35%354-or%64%65%72%2E%68t%6D
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  12. Hotcopper has not changed in my absence....
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  13. There are infinite ways to lose money......infinite ways. Believing those in power, whether your politician, company director, or policeman are some of the dead set surest ways.
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  14. Load of crock? Load of crack more like.
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  15. Great user name, Colin.....where'd you pull that one from? Your behind?
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  16. sandune, you come across as being so deluded by hate.

    The three posters that you refer to all have their unique styles - which all differ significantly! I can't understand how anyone could think that they are the same person!
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  17. Very direct, and good post. It's only others that will feel the shame for the directors TSS.

    A leopard does not change its spots, nor a tiger its stripes.

    Their record indicates that they can't feel shame. With these "piggy backs" now approved, they will obtain even more power. Small investors, unless there one of their mates, will be the losers.
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  18. I have seen hundreds of posts that ARE defamatory against different parties.

    My conscience is clear; I don't feel any remorse about what I posted. Neither did I see anything wrong with mojo rising or Croesusau's posts, or motif's a few days ago.

    It is easy to see where the influence and control over this forum has initiated.

    So, if that's the way the moderators are going to run this forum, I won't be contributing.



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  19. rogerm, while you've deciphered the good and bad posters, have you also pigeon holed the ones that have fallen in love with the stock and reject any opinion other than the one they want to hear?
    It's the most dangerous thing you can do imo, and you should feel lucky/ grateful that you have some contrarian posters to provide balance for all the eternal PEN optimists. But what would I know?
    PEN is very tradable, but not out of the woods by a long way imo.
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  20. So you can see both sides of the story matty.
    I'm in the same boat having traded PEN from time to time.
    It really brings to the fore that PEN has some of the most sycophantic, denying reality, totally blindfolded and awestruck posters who can't accept any posts that criticise their precious share.
    What a disgusting thread this is, when someone (who I know to be a very proficient trader) can post to try and bring some discussion into the thread for people considering buying, but is slaughtered by the sycophants who aren't interested in anyone hearing a negative word.
    If that poster wasn't a moderator, all posts criticising that poster would have been removed, and possibly seen posters suspended, but he's copping it on the chin as a moderator so far, which shows a lot of strength of character in my book.
    Shame on many of you.
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  21. Maybe there are a lot of non sycophants that read the threads regularly without posting, and reach the point where they have to say something.
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  22. Agree seuss.
    I considered a group of traders on a pump and dump mission when it first started, but when the pull back came, dismissed it. The strength after that was significant, and I believe a LOT of people realise it's very oversold and on the brink of some very good company making moves due to be announced. Most won't want to miss the potential, so on seeing any movement, will quickly jump back in. That's no pump and dump.
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  23. I know. Maybe I didn't explain myself very well.
    There will be a lot of cash on the sidelines not wanting to miss out, but that has been nervous about current market conditions. Movement in stock price is enough to bring that money back in. Nothing to do with management, just investor psychology imo.
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  24. I believe you'll find that we now have SUPPORT at 10c.
    Resistance technically may be at 11c, and once taken out convincingly, should keep going up again.
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  25. Do you have a 2.7 million deposit for a new home?
    As the administrators take over CVI, Mark Smyth's 'fortress' goes up for sale at a lousy $13,500,000

    Now, with a 2.7million deposit, and interest rate of 7.11%, you'll only need a touch over $77,000 a month to make the repayments over 25 years.

    Feeling sick enough yet?
    Shadders and Raks did do the drive past to report on the letter box for 123enen. I remember it well from just after the EGM days.

    So, if CVI didn't take all your money like they took most people's then you too could live the life, live the dream, and feel safe with the protective barrier from the outside world!

    Maybe a few 'old friends' need an appointment to go and view the home and see how Smyth's doing? Is the dementia well advanced yet? Any house guests? Malcolm Johnson, Anton Tarkanyi, excelsior perhaps?

    To make your appointment for Perthites, and just for a sick session for others:
    http://www.domain.com.au/Property/For-Sale/House/WA/Mosman-Park/?adid=2008821829

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  26. tvp
    No answer from Arttse on that yet.......................
    Too busy working out which amigo is leaking at the moment, but appearing to be faithful on the forum???

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  27. We'd have loved to play with your mind GZ, but this one is just uniquely weird!

    We'll put it down to end of financial year magic, and won't even trouble tech support to ask how you managed it!

    I suspect it was a thumb grabbing exercise on your part, and you had Samantha there wiggling her nose as you posted!
    Hmmm. That's my best conspiracy theory for now!
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  28. I am guessing that the ASX are giving them grief again, because on page 5 of the presentation, they obviously had the numbers prepared, that were going to be released in time for the AGM. (Obviously again is my guess)

    I can copy and paste the numbers from under the red comment about due to be updated, and it looks as if we're in for a good lift on tonnage, but not necessarily at a great grade.
    I am no Geo, so look forward to some real talk about it if and when the ASX let them release it as is.

    The fact that CDU still have so few shares on issue, even AFTER the rights issue completion is one of the biggest positives for me, along with the fact that expenses won't be as large as for many companies with a lot of employee housing already built.

    Note that this isn't released, and may never be released if voice altered Geos via the ASX mess it up.
    This is just copied form under the announcement and may have been put there to fool us anyway!

    30.3mt @ 1.7% CuEq
    (0.8% cut-off) Measured and Indicated
    97.9mt @ 0.96% CuEq
    (0.4% cut-off) Measured and Indicated
    272.9mt @ 0.62% CuEq
    (0.2% cut-off) Measured & Indicated and inferred
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  29. I find that post rather repugnant and cynical cusox.
    Right now, imo it's a buy.

    What does that have to do with anything else?
    Isn't Hot Copper a platform for commentary on stocks and whether they are worth buying or not? If we didn't comment, there would be no Hot Copper

    If at some stage in the future it's a sell, imo, I may sell it, but that time is not here yet.
    Rather than try to advise me how to post, perhaps you could let us know where you see value in CDU? Do you wait for it to be proven and moving up again?

    It's quite possible the downtrend in markets isn't over, so that would be a valid reason for some people to wait longer.
    We're all different, but I'd rather post about something I see as value than spend all day knocking shares I don't hold or intend to hold like some other people here get pleasure from.

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  30. Shadow, that is bull dust, and you know it.
    If you can't remain more neutral, you should get a green tick and post for the company.
    You simply can't give a value on it without ALL the information.
    Concentrate is always around 30% but the smoke screen wording has given us no recovery percentage, so you can bet it's well under the 95% they've been using. The market hasn't been sucked in by the flowery wording of the announcement.
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  31. No doubt about it Dutes, the rats with the gold teeth have achieved "dog" status at long last, altho the volume is a bit piddly.

    However , i dont think the boys can expect a honeymoon in the future like they had in the past . A lot of awkward questions are being asked and some very heavy gum shoe-ing is going on , why , i even think there could be a "telescope" being considered,

    Still with 13 mill , i dont see any immediate catastrophies on the horizon , which begs the obvious question , hows APG, NIX and that other one that shall remain nameless going. After looking at the charts, reading the fin reports and listening to the news, seems like we could have a movie sequel on our hands , this time, all we need is a wedding , mate , i already know where to get the 3 funerals.

    Cheers

    OI NQ , how they hanging?

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  32. Announcement from ERM has made my day. :)

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  33. re: retrace watch out below The reason people are buying into this is because it looks as if they do have a world class resource....if that is the case this stock is very undervalued at current levels.
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  34. tvp
    Maybe this sheds some light on it ............................
    He was suspected of being Bendigo. Maybe the mods worked it out.

    Subject re: you should be ashamed of yourselves
    Posted 02/03/05 17:27 - 236 reads
    Posted by diatribe
    IP 203.51.xxx.xxx
    Post #529197 - in reply to msg. #529196 - splitview

    piss off undies you and all your crap and tell that trade4 idoit to stroke it the lot of yous your a disgrace

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    Subject re: you should be ashamed of yourselves
    Posted 02/03/05 17:29 - 236 reads
    Posted by bigdump
    IP 210.49.xxx.xxx
    Post #529199 - in reply to msg. #529188 - splitview

    so who should be ashamed of themselves
    it squite ironic !
    Isn't talking to ones self a form of madness





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    Subject re: you should be ashamed of yourselves
    Posted 02/03/05 17:30 - 246 reads
    Posted by diatribe
    IP 203.51.xxx.xxx
    Post #529201 - in reply to msg. #529199 - splitview

    fark u 2 fool ramper

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    Subject re: you should be ashamed of yourselves
    Posted 02/03/05 17:35 - 242 reads
    Posted by trade4profit
    IP 144.139.xxx.xxx
    Post #529204 - in reply to msg. #529197 - splitview

    diatribe...

    Here are the posts you refer to "6 - 8 weeks ago"...

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    Subject copper strike.. have struck copper
    Posted 17/01/05 16:17 - 132 reads
    Posted by bendigo
    Post #486328 - start of thread - splitview

    Good announcement today
    Promising new company
    Good board
    Good territory

    go the ASX website & check out the announcment.

    Cheers
    Bendigo

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    Subject re: copper strike.. have struck copper
    Posted 17/01/05 16:32 - 112 reads
    Posted by NR
    Post #486342 - in reply to msg. #486328 - splitview

    all ready on them bendigo......awaiting further annonucements.......


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    Subject re: copper strike.. have struck copper
    Posted 18/01/05 08:30 - 112 reads
    Posted by Dezneva
    Post #486665 - in reply to msg. #486328 - splitview

    Yep, I agree. I know the people as well. They have a whole heap of old TEC ground. Its a great hit. and I think they are continuing the drilling.

    ---


    These were the first 3 posts ever on CSE.

    Although Dezneva only posted "...I know the people as well...", I can see how you may have remebered that as "...the boss being a good bloke..."

    Problem is, it was Bendigo he was replying to and not you!

    How do you explain that?

    Cheers!

    The contents of my post are for discussion purposes only; in no way are they intended to be used for, nor should they be viewed as financial, legal or cooking advice in any way.

    Voluntary Disclosure: No Position Sentiment: None TOU violation






    Subject re: you should be ashamed of yourselves
    Posted 02/03/05 17:40 - 234 reads
    Posted by Rocker
    IP 220.253.xxx.xxx
    Post #529215 - in reply to msg. #529204 - splitview

    well picked up T4P


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  35. I get your drift joewolf.
    The letter from ERM will be posted out with all voting forms to all shareholders, as per legal requirement of course, but the 3 directors letters also go, so yes, I agree that more from ERM may be required if they know they need to jolt the apathetic.

    Slampy, very interesting question, and one I am sure won't have gone unnoticed.

    Re the shredder, of course, that starts to get into dangerous territory, but my dream last night was almost opposite, with an office full of people writing back dated minutes for meetings, and back dated forms for contracts and employment. It was a hectic dream, and I hope there's no reality in it at all.


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  36. I reckon you should all get a life personally!
    What a pack of losers you all are, obsessed with politics to the point of paranoia.
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  37. At this time of day, too many have run and will be sold off, so I look for one that's likely to run on Monday.

    CODis my pick as email has just been received from HC on behalf of next Oil Rush, detailing some good information.

    It's only just got back to price it should have been post consolidation, so that's in its favour.
    Very little to sell, I like that, as it will move quickly.

    Many won't have received the email yet as they're at work, etc.

    Read more here.

    http://www.nextoilrush.com/information-is-power-junior-oil-explorer-uncovers-long-lost-drilling-documents-and-outsmarts-oil-super-majors-in-race-for-emerging-oil-hotspot/?utm_source=HCMO

    Looks good for next week. Be prepared!
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  39. tvp
    re: it goes like this? Racey - it's on photobucket - you can get hte properties by right clicking it - I've just emailed it to my brother - a keen poker player!

    Salty - howsabout an email update please imo!!
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  40. What a fascinating thread reading back 3 months!

    Lots of reading today!
    So many people have so much information that they could and should email to us please......

    [email protected]

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    lightbulb Created with Sketch. 21
    Fig. 1. The decline of the silver content of Roman coinage, as envisaged in Haines 1941: 47.
    brought about the collapse of theroman monetary system through its progressive debasement,

    so that financial chaos ensued.
    24
    As with so many features of theromanempire, its monetary system is seen as the creation

    of Augustus, whose wisdom and foresight remained unmatched by his successors. Augustus

    has become the standard inroman imperial numismatics, the benchmark against which the

    performance of all others is measured.his coinage is seen as ‘good’ money, replete with natural,

    intrinsic value.
    25indeed, a synonym for theroman imperial monetary system up to the middle
    of the third century is the ‘Augustan system’ or ‘Augustan coinage’: an interlocking system of

    denominations in high quality gold, silver, brass and copper.
    26it is this system that is described
    as being ‘manipulated’ or ‘adulterated’ by Augustus’ successors, so that to describe change in

    r
    oman currency is to describe the process by which this ‘once splendid coinage of imperial

    r
    ome’ was despoiled.
    27
    Kevin Butcher

    24
    Petit 1974: 198-201. Some have, however, questioned
    whether inflation was high, e.g., Corbier 1985.

    25
    true money’: Wassink 1991: 468.
    26
    Sydenham 1919; Callu 1969: 482; Walker 1978: 110;
    Casey 1980: 11; Wassink 1991: 470, 473; Harl 1996: 73-96;

    Hitchner 2005: 211; on the interlocking system, see Harl

    1996: 72-73. For a critique of the concept of an ‘Augustan

    system’ applying to gold and silver, see Butcher and Ponting

    2015.

    27
    Sydenham 1919: 129.
    184

    There is certainly no avoiding the fact that a denarius of the early first century AD was made
    of pure silver, whereas a radiate or antoninianus of Claudius II (AD 268-270) is almost pure

    copper. The seemingly hard evidence can be tabulated (e.g. Harl 1996: 127; 130) or displayed in

    graph form, usually showing the silver content of the coinage through time sloping downwards,

    ever more rapidly, towards oblivion (e.g. Casey 1980: 10; Duncan-Jones 1994: 226; Rathbone

    1996: 327). I choose here an early example of the genre from Haines 1941 (Fig. 1). A better

    visual metaphor for imperial Rome’s decline would be difficult to find; and, whether by accident

    or design, the word used to describe the apparently progressive alloying of silver with copper in

    the coinage is almost invariably ‘decline’.
    28the reasons for the debasement can still be debated
    (e.g. Lo Cascio 1981) although the majority view is that the alloying was a short-sighted policy

    conducted by bankrupt rulers that led to the currency losing its value, culminating in the third

    century in the ‘Augustan’ currency’s ‘collapse’.
    29the trajectory of the silver coinage thus seems
    to mirror the fortunes of theromanempire itself, and, as we have already seen, the consequences

    are generally regarded as having been profound.

    When it comes to the precise cause of the devaluations, however, the accounts tend to

    become less certain. Sometimes the coinage is said to have lost value because it became

    debased (a ‘metallist’ perspective, where coins have value because they are made of valuable

    commodities); at other times it is said to have become debased because it lost value (for

    example, because too much of it was in circulation, or, less commonly, because the price of

    silver rose).
    30In the latter scenario, debasement was simply a way of enabling the State to
    produce more coins.
    31Scholars have searched the literature for contemporary references to
    hyperinflation and the economic crisis accompanying the debasements, but there is precious

    little that does not require inference or emendation to make it fit. If there was high inflation in

    the period from 215 to 260, the Romans seem to have been uninterested in recording it.
    32hard
    evidence, in the form of price data, does not match the period of debasement.
    33A case can be
    made for a rapid rise in prices in Egypt under Aurelian in AD 274-5 and before Diocletian

    issued his Edict on Maximum Prices (AD 301), but these events come
    afterthe main period
    of debasement (AD 194-270).
    34This would seem to argue against a link between fineness and
    inflation, favouring instead a link between quantity and inflation or some other factor. But

    from the comments in many accounts, both recent and older, it would appear that there are

    difficulties in separating the two, despite the fact that the two positions represent fundamentally

    DEBASEMEnTAnDTHEDECLInEOFROME

    28
    e.g.harl 1996: 126. ‘Decline’ and ‘fall’ are terms that
    have been used in titles concerning the debasement of

    r
    oman coinage since at least the time of Mommsen 1851,

    e.g. Oman 1916;haines 1941; Pense 1992;verboven

    2007.

    29
    ‘Collapse’: Grierson 1975: 22; Walker 1978: 136; Casey
    1980: 11; Potter 1990: 34; Wassink 1991: 483; Harl 1996:

    126; Christol 1997: 164.

    30
    A ‘complex’ problem acknowledged by Crawford 1975:
    567, 590-1, who there tended towards the first option while

    not entirely excluding the second: ‘iconclude that in a

    world where a precious metal coin was a piece of bullion an

    increase in the supply of currency did not necessarily lead

    to inflation ... in the third century A.D. the reduction in the

    purchasing power of the silver coinage was the direct result of

    its declining intrinsic power’. See also Estiot 2012: 553-4.

    31
    Heather 2005: 65. The argument is certainly plausible.
    h
    owever, if the coins are devalued as a result, doesn’t that

    reduce the overall quantity of money in circulation?

    32
    Link between debasement and inflation: Crawford 1975
    (above, n. 29); Walker 1978: 109, adding ‘we have no

    evidence that it was realised that debasement might in the

    long term be economically harmful’; Mann 1986: 287-288,

    accepting a rise in prices, though qualifying this by stating

    ‘it is difficult to be precise about when or by how much’;

    Tainter 1988: 137 arguing for inflation, ‘although good data

    are lacking’.

    33
    Wassink 1991.
    34
    Duncan-Jones 1994: 26-7 and Rathbone 1996 and 1997
    set out some of theegyptian evidence for episodes of price

    inflation, particularly in AD 274-5, but Egypt had its own

    silver coinage, changes to which do not parallel changes to

    imperial coinage. See also Corbier 1985 and 2005b: 425-8.

    185

    different understandings of the nature of money.35it would appear that the legacy of earlier
    thinking about the decline ofroman coinage is not easily discarded.
    36
    c
    oinage has not always occupied a central role in accounts ofroman decline, and the tenor

    of modern accounts is very different from earlier ones.indeed, the earliest students ofroman

    imperial coinage were not much interested in change.the scholarly endeavours of the sixteenth

    and seventeenth centuries focused on two main approaches to the material: one, concentrating on

    coins as money, pursued through ancient texts, mainly by philologists and scholars of literature; and

    the other, concentrating on coins as mementoes of illustrious historical figures and as illustrations

    of antiquity, pursued through study of the coins themselves, by antiquarians. One might have

    expected those interested in coins as money to be alert to change, but they were mainly concerned

    with delineating a fixed system and defining monetary terms found in texts rather than charting the

    evolution of a system. Antiquarians, on the other hand, sought to bring dignity to ‘medals’, as they

    called their coins, and the study of these objects as money was regarded as sordid.
    37
    t
    he lack of interest in change can be explained in part by the confusion about the identity and

    function of the objects that we now callroman imperial coins.
    38By the early seventeenth century
    there was general agreement that they were monetary objects and not commemorative medals,
    39
    but there remained uncertainty as to what denominations they represented. It was difficult for

    the early savants to assemble enough material to conduct a meaningful survey of weights, and

    to compensate for the even more meagre information about fineness it was generally assumed

    that gold and silver were of high purity, at least until the time of the obviously base issues of

    the third century. Despite all the doubts, some general pattern gradually became discernable:

    therepublican weights of the gold and silver coinage had been abandoned for lighter ones

    under eithernero or Vespasian, and there had been a debasement under Septimius Severus or

    his successors, leading to the coinage of the mid third century becoming little more than billon.

    Debasement was therefore understood as something that had happened comparatively rapidly,

    or at least over a period not longer than about thirty or forty years and, for the few scholars who

    ventured to think about the reasons, a link with expenditure during the frequent wars of the

    period seemed plausible.

    During the eighteenth century more systematic studies of weights emerged, and with it a

    clearer understanding of the denominations. Johannes Eisenschmidt’s
    De ponderibus et mensuris
    veterum romanorum
    , first published in 1708, provided one of the first attempts to outline the
    ‘decline’ of imperial silver: therepublican weight for the denarius had survived up to the end

    of Augustus’ reign, after which there was a decline in weight, untilnero had reduced its weight

    to an eighth of an ounce. Afternero the denarius had remained stable until the joint reign of

    Balbinus and Pupienus (AD 238), who had adulterated the silver with base metal.
    40thereafter the
    Kevin Butcher

    35
    Martin 2014: 143.
    36
    One way of attempting to reconcile the two positions is
    to claim that debasement facilitated increased production,

    because that way the quantity of coinage was no longer

    constrained by the supply of precious metal, as proposed by

    Hitchner 2009 (though there the argument favours stability

    over inflation).

    37
    this approach had been pioneered byeneavico in his
    Discorsi di M. Enea Vico parmigiano sopra le medaglie degli

    antichi
    (1555). Joseph Bimard de la Bastie, in his introduction
    to the 1739 edition of Louis Jobert’s popular handbook,

    La science des médailles
    , sums up the antiquarian attitude
    in his comment on Louis Savot’s enquiry into the function,

    metrology and metallurgy of ancient coins,
    Discours sur les
    medalles antiques
    (1627). Bimard recognized Savot’s work as
    an ‘excellent book: but this clever man was content to study

    medals exactly like coins; that is to say, that he envisaged

    them from the least noble and least useful point of view from

    our perspective’ (Jobert 1739: xvi).

    38
    Erizzo 1559: 35-6.
    39
    Savot 1627: 1-42.
    40
    these imperial colleagues have never fully been able to
    escape accusations that they helped to destroy the currency;

    see below.

    186

    coinage was further debased until the time of Gallienus and Postumus, after whom the currency
    collapsed. Eisenschmidt is among the first to outlin

 
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