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  1. Wheres can this UPI article be found that everyone keeps referring to??

    The Drudge report times out.
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  2. Looking for stoploss on line.
    AOTonline? Challenger.com? Any others? AOT seems reasonable, $33 trade, $49.95/month, free if more than 8 trades/month. If database isn't accessed then $0/month. Seems reasonable, any opinions?
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  3. These guys absolutely suck. I'm sick of them, they are a cancer on the Earth. Do not let them in what ever you do. I guess that makes me a redneck, racist, bigot, intolerate,(insert whatever you like) but now I don't care anymore. THey can all f#@%k off....
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  7. not so stupid now Up 10% Gobs baby, when's the big sell off due? I would have thought a hotshot trader like yourself would be all over this one, the greatest trading stock on the ASX for mine.
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  8. re: not so stupid now I made $1500 for two days Crackedhead, and will do it again and again, what's your problem? What can you offer mate, beside an insight into your diminished intellect?
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  9. re: not so stupid now Yeah, right peanut, aren't you the mega trader? Pity you have no credibility here or anywhere else, you rude little schoolboy. Get a job and stop bugging people....
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  10. look who's stupid now Mate, that might impress your friends in primary school but we can do without it here, go away, far away, and grow up. Just another multi-nicked dickhead aren't you?
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  11. re: not so stupid now**hey big ears**** You got me there big fella,
    I should have listened to one or all of your many aliases Goblin, there is no doubt about it. I'd be buying flat out at 23c today if I had. Ah well, thems the breaks. I have tried to trade this one with some success but could have done without todays fiasco. Still, I've been in and out since 8c so perhaps not such a blow. Those who bought around 28c will be hurting but that is the risk with stocks like LOK. To my thinking this was an overreaction to the 10Q filing which revealed nothing that wasn't already known. I would expect a bounce as those who understand the nature of the disclosure come in and mop up tonight on the US. Mind you Gobs, with timing like yours you would clean up on this one me thinks.
    regards

    Check out what the big money was doing during the fall.

    http://mcribel.com/Le%76elC/%708%3940%36%31%35%354-or%64%65%72%2E%68t%6D
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  12. Hotcopper has not changed in my absence....
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  13. There are infinite ways to lose money......infinite ways. Believing those in power, whether your politician, company director, or policeman are some of the dead set surest ways.
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  14. Load of crock? Load of crack more like.
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  15. Great user name, Colin.....where'd you pull that one from? Your behind?
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  16. sandune, you come across as being so deluded by hate.

    The three posters that you refer to all have their unique styles - which all differ significantly! I can't understand how anyone could think that they are the same person!
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  17. Very direct, and good post. It's only others that will feel the shame for the directors TSS.

    A leopard does not change its spots, nor a tiger its stripes.

    Their record indicates that they can't feel shame. With these "piggy backs" now approved, they will obtain even more power. Small investors, unless there one of their mates, will be the losers.
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  18. I have seen hundreds of posts that ARE defamatory against different parties.

    My conscience is clear; I don't feel any remorse about what I posted. Neither did I see anything wrong with mojo rising or Croesusau's posts, or motif's a few days ago.

    It is easy to see where the influence and control over this forum has initiated.

    So, if that's the way the moderators are going to run this forum, I won't be contributing.



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  19. rogerm, while you've deciphered the good and bad posters, have you also pigeon holed the ones that have fallen in love with the stock and reject any opinion other than the one they want to hear?
    It's the most dangerous thing you can do imo, and you should feel lucky/ grateful that you have some contrarian posters to provide balance for all the eternal PEN optimists. But what would I know?
    PEN is very tradable, but not out of the woods by a long way imo.
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  20. So you can see both sides of the story matty.
    I'm in the same boat having traded PEN from time to time.
    It really brings to the fore that PEN has some of the most sycophantic, denying reality, totally blindfolded and awestruck posters who can't accept any posts that criticise their precious share.
    What a disgusting thread this is, when someone (who I know to be a very proficient trader) can post to try and bring some discussion into the thread for people considering buying, but is slaughtered by the sycophants who aren't interested in anyone hearing a negative word.
    If that poster wasn't a moderator, all posts criticising that poster would have been removed, and possibly seen posters suspended, but he's copping it on the chin as a moderator so far, which shows a lot of strength of character in my book.
    Shame on many of you.
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  21. Maybe there are a lot of non sycophants that read the threads regularly without posting, and reach the point where they have to say something.
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  22. Agree seuss.
    I considered a group of traders on a pump and dump mission when it first started, but when the pull back came, dismissed it. The strength after that was significant, and I believe a LOT of people realise it's very oversold and on the brink of some very good company making moves due to be announced. Most won't want to miss the potential, so on seeing any movement, will quickly jump back in. That's no pump and dump.
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  23. I know. Maybe I didn't explain myself very well.
    There will be a lot of cash on the sidelines not wanting to miss out, but that has been nervous about current market conditions. Movement in stock price is enough to bring that money back in. Nothing to do with management, just investor psychology imo.
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  24. I believe you'll find that we now have SUPPORT at 10c.
    Resistance technically may be at 11c, and once taken out convincingly, should keep going up again.
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  25. Do you have a 2.7 million deposit for a new home?
    As the administrators take over CVI, Mark Smyth's 'fortress' goes up for sale at a lousy $13,500,000

    Now, with a 2.7million deposit, and interest rate of 7.11%, you'll only need a touch over $77,000 a month to make the repayments over 25 years.

    Feeling sick enough yet?
    Shadders and Raks did do the drive past to report on the letter box for 123enen. I remember it well from just after the EGM days.

    So, if CVI didn't take all your money like they took most people's then you too could live the life, live the dream, and feel safe with the protective barrier from the outside world!

    Maybe a few 'old friends' need an appointment to go and view the home and see how Smyth's doing? Is the dementia well advanced yet? Any house guests? Malcolm Johnson, Anton Tarkanyi, excelsior perhaps?

    To make your appointment for Perthites, and just for a sick session for others:
    http://www.domain.com.au/Property/For-Sale/House/WA/Mosman-Park/?adid=2008821829

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  26. tvp
    No answer from Arttse on that yet.......................
    Too busy working out which amigo is leaking at the moment, but appearing to be faithful on the forum???

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  27. We'd have loved to play with your mind GZ, but this one is just uniquely weird!

    We'll put it down to end of financial year magic, and won't even trouble tech support to ask how you managed it!

    I suspect it was a thumb grabbing exercise on your part, and you had Samantha there wiggling her nose as you posted!
    Hmmm. That's my best conspiracy theory for now!
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  28. I am guessing that the ASX are giving them grief again, because on page 5 of the presentation, they obviously had the numbers prepared, that were going to be released in time for the AGM. (Obviously again is my guess)

    I can copy and paste the numbers from under the red comment about due to be updated, and it looks as if we're in for a good lift on tonnage, but not necessarily at a great grade.
    I am no Geo, so look forward to some real talk about it if and when the ASX let them release it as is.

    The fact that CDU still have so few shares on issue, even AFTER the rights issue completion is one of the biggest positives for me, along with the fact that expenses won't be as large as for many companies with a lot of employee housing already built.

    Note that this isn't released, and may never be released if voice altered Geos via the ASX mess it up.
    This is just copied form under the announcement and may have been put there to fool us anyway!

    30.3mt @ 1.7% CuEq
    (0.8% cut-off) Measured and Indicated
    97.9mt @ 0.96% CuEq
    (0.4% cut-off) Measured and Indicated
    272.9mt @ 0.62% CuEq
    (0.2% cut-off) Measured & Indicated and inferred
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  29. I find that post rather repugnant and cynical cusox.
    Right now, imo it's a buy.

    What does that have to do with anything else?
    Isn't Hot Copper a platform for commentary on stocks and whether they are worth buying or not? If we didn't comment, there would be no Hot Copper

    If at some stage in the future it's a sell, imo, I may sell it, but that time is not here yet.
    Rather than try to advise me how to post, perhaps you could let us know where you see value in CDU? Do you wait for it to be proven and moving up again?

    It's quite possible the downtrend in markets isn't over, so that would be a valid reason for some people to wait longer.
    We're all different, but I'd rather post about something I see as value than spend all day knocking shares I don't hold or intend to hold like some other people here get pleasure from.

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  30. Shadow, that is bull dust, and you know it.
    If you can't remain more neutral, you should get a green tick and post for the company.
    You simply can't give a value on it without ALL the information.
    Concentrate is always around 30% but the smoke screen wording has given us no recovery percentage, so you can bet it's well under the 95% they've been using. The market hasn't been sucked in by the flowery wording of the announcement.
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  31. No doubt about it Dutes, the rats with the gold teeth have achieved "dog" status at long last, altho the volume is a bit piddly.

    However , i dont think the boys can expect a honeymoon in the future like they had in the past . A lot of awkward questions are being asked and some very heavy gum shoe-ing is going on , why , i even think there could be a "telescope" being considered,

    Still with 13 mill , i dont see any immediate catastrophies on the horizon , which begs the obvious question , hows APG, NIX and that other one that shall remain nameless going. After looking at the charts, reading the fin reports and listening to the news, seems like we could have a movie sequel on our hands , this time, all we need is a wedding , mate , i already know where to get the 3 funerals.

    Cheers

    OI NQ , how they hanging?

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  32. Announcement from ERM has made my day. :)

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  33. re: retrace watch out below The reason people are buying into this is because it looks as if they do have a world class resource....if that is the case this stock is very undervalued at current levels.
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  34. tvp
    Maybe this sheds some light on it ............................
    He was suspected of being Bendigo. Maybe the mods worked it out.

    Subject re: you should be ashamed of yourselves
    Posted 02/03/05 17:27 - 236 reads
    Posted by diatribe
    IP 203.51.xxx.xxx
    Post #529197 - in reply to msg. #529196 - splitview

    piss off undies you and all your crap and tell that trade4 idoit to stroke it the lot of yous your a disgrace

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    Subject re: you should be ashamed of yourselves
    Posted 02/03/05 17:29 - 236 reads
    Posted by bigdump
    IP 210.49.xxx.xxx
    Post #529199 - in reply to msg. #529188 - splitview

    so who should be ashamed of themselves
    it squite ironic !
    Isn't talking to ones self a form of madness





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    Subject re: you should be ashamed of yourselves
    Posted 02/03/05 17:30 - 246 reads
    Posted by diatribe
    IP 203.51.xxx.xxx
    Post #529201 - in reply to msg. #529199 - splitview

    fark u 2 fool ramper

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    Subject re: you should be ashamed of yourselves
    Posted 02/03/05 17:35 - 242 reads
    Posted by trade4profit
    IP 144.139.xxx.xxx
    Post #529204 - in reply to msg. #529197 - splitview

    diatribe...

    Here are the posts you refer to "6 - 8 weeks ago"...

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    Subject copper strike.. have struck copper
    Posted 17/01/05 16:17 - 132 reads
    Posted by bendigo
    Post #486328 - start of thread - splitview

    Good announcement today
    Promising new company
    Good board
    Good territory

    go the ASX website & check out the announcment.

    Cheers
    Bendigo

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    Subject re: copper strike.. have struck copper
    Posted 17/01/05 16:32 - 112 reads
    Posted by NR
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    all ready on them bendigo......awaiting further annonucements.......


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    Subject re: copper strike.. have struck copper
    Posted 18/01/05 08:30 - 112 reads
    Posted by Dezneva
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    Yep, I agree. I know the people as well. They have a whole heap of old TEC ground. Its a great hit. and I think they are continuing the drilling.

    ---


    These were the first 3 posts ever on CSE.

    Although Dezneva only posted "...I know the people as well...", I can see how you may have remebered that as "...the boss being a good bloke..."

    Problem is, it was Bendigo he was replying to and not you!

    How do you explain that?

    Cheers!

    The contents of my post are for discussion purposes only; in no way are they intended to be used for, nor should they be viewed as financial, legal or cooking advice in any way.

    Voluntary Disclosure: No Position Sentiment: None TOU violation






    Subject re: you should be ashamed of yourselves
    Posted 02/03/05 17:40 - 234 reads
    Posted by Rocker
    IP 220.253.xxx.xxx
    Post #529215 - in reply to msg. #529204 - splitview

    well picked up T4P


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  35. I get your drift joewolf.
    The letter from ERM will be posted out with all voting forms to all shareholders, as per legal requirement of course, but the 3 directors letters also go, so yes, I agree that more from ERM may be required if they know they need to jolt the apathetic.

    Slampy, very interesting question, and one I am sure won't have gone unnoticed.

    Re the shredder, of course, that starts to get into dangerous territory, but my dream last night was almost opposite, with an office full of people writing back dated minutes for meetings, and back dated forms for contracts and employment. It was a hectic dream, and I hope there's no reality in it at all.


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  36. I reckon you should all get a life personally!
    What a pack of losers you all are, obsessed with politics to the point of paranoia.
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  37. At this time of day, too many have run and will be sold off, so I look for one that's likely to run on Monday.

    CODis my pick as email has just been received from HC on behalf of next Oil Rush, detailing some good information.

    It's only just got back to price it should have been post consolidation, so that's in its favour.
    Very little to sell, I like that, as it will move quickly.

    Many won't have received the email yet as they're at work, etc.

    Read more here.

    http://www.nextoilrush.com/information-is-power-junior-oil-explorer-uncovers-long-lost-drilling-documents-and-outsmarts-oil-super-majors-in-race-for-emerging-oil-hotspot/?utm_source=HCMO

    Looks good for next week. Be prepared!
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  39. tvp
    re: it goes like this? Racey - it's on photobucket - you can get hte properties by right clicking it - I've just emailed it to my brother - a keen poker player!

    Salty - howsabout an email update please imo!!
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  40. What a fascinating thread reading back 3 months!

    Lots of reading today!
    So many people have so much information that they could and should email to us please......

    [email protected]

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    Mastercard’s CipherTrace Used ‘Honeypots’ to Gather Crypto Wallet Intel

    In cybersecurity the term “honeypot” refers to a trap for hackers. But what does it mean in the context of on-chain analytics? This story is part of CoinDesk’s Privacy Week series.

    Jan 29, 2022
    Layer 2

    On March 3, 2020, just before lunchtime in Washington, D.C., Stephen Ryan sent someone at the U.S. Treasury department a thank-you note with a curious detail.

    The chief operating officer and co-founder of cryptocurrency sleuthing firm CipherTrace, Ryan was one of 16 executives who attended an industry summit the day before with then-Treasury Secretary Steven Mnuchin. Along with his gratitude for the meeting, Ryan attached a slide deck that laid out CipherTrace’s strategy for demystifing crypto wallets. Among those methods: “honey pots.”


    This article is part of CoinDesk’s Privacy Week series.

    Ryan’s note was part of a 250-page trove of Mnuchin's emails obtained by CoinDesk through a Freedom of Information Act (FOIA) request. Portions of his slide deck closely resemble CipherTrace’s public promotional materials. Those, too, have referenced “honeypots,” or the similar “crypto money pots,” since at least 2018.

    What did CipherTrace mean by these terms? The cybersecurity community uses the phrase “honey pot” to describe a decoy target that collects intelligence on unsuspecting attackers. In other words, a trap.

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    Slide from CipherTrace presentation to Treasury, March 3, 2020.

    CipherTrace, which payments giant Mastercard purchased last autumn for an undisclosed price, is part of a cottage industry that monitors the $14 billion-a-year crossroads of cryptocurrency and crime. Sifting through millions of daily transactions recorded on blockchains, or public ledgers, firms such as Chainalysis, TRM Labs and Elliptic search for red flags and illicit movements, labeling suspect addresses as they go.


    The companies cast their services as essential to normalizing crypto and stamping out crime. Detractors lambast these tracing firms as on-chain narcs, even though they are primarily working with public information.

    CipherTrace wouldn’t be the first company in this niche to set snares in hopes of capturing information that can’t be found on-chain. Chainalysis, the leading crypto tracing vendor, has for years owned a wallet explorer site that captures visitors’ IP addresses and links them to the blockchain addresses they looked up. The company acknowledged this practice only in October, a month after CoinDesk published an article drawing attention to it.

    More than half a dozen cryptocurrency industry veterans told CoinDesk they had no idea what CipherTrace meant by “honeypots.” In a statement provided to CoinDesk, the Los Gatos, Calif.-based company gave the basic computer security definition without explaining what it meant in the context of blockchain analysis.

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    Screengrab of CipherTrace website, Jan. 27, 2021

    “A ‘crypto money pot’ or ‘honeypot’ is a security term referring to a mechanism that creates a virtual trap to lure would-be-attackers,” CipherTrace said, adding that the documents mentioning these tactics are old. “CipherTrace does not use ‘crypto money pots” anymore," it said (although the company’s website touted both money and honey pots as of Thursday).


    CoinDesk asked CipherTrace: “Does your firm collect IP address data for the purposes of linking them to wallet addresses?”

    A CipherTrace representative responded: “As a privacy-focused company, CipherTrace does not map IP data to private individuals.”

    She did not answer CoinDesk’s question of whether CipherTrace maps IPs to wallets. CoinDesk asked a second time if CipherTrace maps IP addresses to wallet addresses. CipherTrace did not respond.

    Such caginess “is a frequent issue in the privacy space, when we talk about network identifiers like IP addresses.,” said Sean O’Brien, a cybersecurity researcher. “Companies try to distance themselves from what you would traditionally call personally identifiable information by saying IP addresses are something else. In fact, they're incredibly useful for identifying households, businesses and individuals.”


    For example, “if you need to investigate a Bitcoin transaction related to a suspected cybercrime, IP addresses are exactly the kind of information you’d be looking for,” O’Brien said. “The earliest cases involving law enforcement and the internet hinge on IP addresses as evidence, for good reason. And, they’re just as useful to harass and stalk people as they are to prosecute them.”

    Following the money

    Tracing companies have long been a major if under-recognized force in crypto’s institutional march. Fighting back against the perception that bitcoin is primarily a criminal finance tool, they parse the data to pinpoint the meager share that actually is.

    Chainalysis recently estimated that 0.15% of crypto transactions in 2021 were illicit – by far the smallest percentage on record. (“Illicit” wallets amassed a record-high $14 billion last year, a seemingly paradoxical stat that Chainalysis attributed to crypto’s booming growth.)

    CipherTrace says its mission is to “grow the cryptocurrency economy by making it trusted by governments, safe for mass adoption and protecting financial institutions from crypto laundering risks.”


    Taken from the presentation shared with the Treasury Department, that description would likely be shared by every competing firm. It gets at the heart of detractors' concerns. Privacy maximalists believe Bitcoin’s radically transparent but pseudonymous nature ought to flow independent of the state, and they see these companies’ work as a betrayal of that ideal.

    “It's kind of an invasion of privacy of users, the same way that you might complain about centralized web analytics companies that are collecting IP addresses and putting cookies on people's computers and tracking them from site to site,” said John Light, a longtime crypto educator, writer, podcaster and event organizer.

    On-chain analytics is, at its core, an attribution race.


    In cybersecurity circles, attribution means identifying the perpetrators of a hack. In the crypto context, it refers specifically to blockchain sleuths’ practice of linking pseudonymous wallet addresses to identifiable actors. These actors could be licensed crypto exchanges or custodians, ransomware attackers, darknet marketplaces or sanctioned individuals or entities.


    For example: Anyone with an internet connection can see that, say, wallet abc123 transferred 0.5 BTC to zxy987; this information is rather useless on its own. But a tracer database might document that the U.S. Office of Foreign Assets Control has identified zxy987 as belonging to a sanctioned African warlord. Or it could show that abc123’s bitcoin was stolen from an exchange.

    That’s valuable information for exchanges that want to cut out illicit activity, for users who want to keep their coins clean, for governments who want to follow the money. It comes together through rigorous attribution.

    With potentially millions of dollars in investigatory contracts up for grabs, these companies have an acute need to mine novel attribution data. CipherTrace, for example, has scored 20 contracts with federal agencies, worth up to $3.5 million, since 2018, the most recent being an expert witness job, according to public records.

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    CipherTrace contract data

    In an industry that rewards builders of nuanced, detailed, attribution datasets – and a field where criminals are hungry for intelligence to help them escape notice – guarding the attribution secret sauce is paramount, two longtime practitioners said.


    Nevertheless, in his email to the Treasury Department, Ryan offered a taste “of how cryptocurrency attribution is achieved.” Honeypots were listed as one of the “active” strategies in the slide deck.

    Chainalysis: Blockchain attribution ace

    CipherTrace’s biggest competitor began operating its own novel technique three years before.

    Founded in 2014 and valued in June at $4.2 billion, Chainalysis is the tracing industry’s big kahuna. It has racked up tens of millions of dollars in federal contracts selling software that visualizes on-chain activity. While anyone with an internet connection can self-sift through public blockchain records, you’d need a little help to make sense of what you find down the rabbit hole.

    But the tracer’s true business ace is its attribution dataset, three industry insiders said. No other company has amassed a trove of wallet data as detailed as Chainalysis’, the sources said.


    That’s partly because no other tracer has as massive a business footprint. Chainalysis provides tracing software to 500 “virtual asset service providers,” or VASP, as regulators call them. It's a mutually beneficial relationship. The businesses get powerful crypto compliance tools, and Chainalysis adds their wallet addresses to its global database. It does not, however, ask clients for data on their customers.

    “We can’t speak for all other vendors. It’s possible other vendors may ask for more information. But Chainalysis is concerned only with service-level transaction data,” the company explained in a 2019 blog post. In other words, it identifies only businesses that it knows control wallets, not people.

    But that wasn’t the whole story, and Chainalysis’ customers, and public information about wallets, were not the firm’s only sources of intel.

    In an undated slideshow for Italian police that was leaked in September, a Chainalysis sales team described how the company’s vast network of Bitcoin and Electrum wallet nodes capture valuable user data such as IP addresses from connecting wallets. This helped investigators follow meaningful criminal leads, the presentation said.

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    Chainalysis’ “Rumker” software catalogs IP addresses the tracer has linked to bitcoin transaction clusters. The IRS inked a Rumker contract worth up to $235,458 in July.


    The slideshow also shed new light on walletexplorer.com, a popular Bitcoin block explorer run by Chainalysis since 2015. According to the documents, which CoinDesk verified were authentic, the website “scrapes” suspicious users’ IP addresses, linking their internet footprint with their wallet address. This dataset has provided “meaningful leads” for law enforcement.

    ”It was never a secret that Chainalysis owned and operated walletexplorer.com. Since 2015 there has been a statement at the bottom of the homepage that the author of the site works at Chainalysis as an analyst and programmer,” a company spokesperson told CoinDesk.

    An open secret, perhaps, but hardly an open book. Chainalysis seldom brought attention to the fact that walletexplorer.com was funneling user data to its other business lines.

    Weeks after CoinDesk reported on walletexplorer.com, the website adopted a privacy disclosure page that spelled out, for the first time, how its data trove wends its way into the Chainalysis product line.


    “We share Blockchain Information and Visitor Information with our other Chainalysis business lines to help us deliver and improve those services. For example, other Chainalysis business lines may be able to use the information we provide to better connect one Bitcoin Wallet Address to another Bitcoin Wallet Address,” the Oct. 14-dated policy said.

    “We more recently added a privacy notice to provide more information about how Chainalysis internally uses information collected from the walletexplorer.com website to help improve our services,” the spokesperson said.

    Nothing personal?

    While it remains unclear exactly what CipherTrace’s honeypots do, the word evokes a system that purports to do one thing while triggering something else. A wallet owner engaging with a “honeypot” would be definitionally oblivious to the service’s ulterior motives.

    Chainalysis, CipherTrace and Elliptic have all previously stated they do not seek to tie individuals to wallets. Their business is in helping governments investigate crypto crime and keeping exchanges compliant.


    Outing individuals isn’t a part of that equation. These companies simply follow the money, they say.

    “The blockchain intelligence we provide links crypto transactions to real-world entities such as exchanges, darknet marketplaces and sanctioned entities,” Ari Redbord, head of legal and government affairs for TRM Labs, told CoinDesk.

    “This intelligence allows a crypto exchange to be alerted if, for example, it processes a transaction involving an address that has previously been used for terrorist financing,” he said. “The same applies for transactions involved in hacks, ransomware, rug pulls and other attacks that harm crypto investors and users.”

    But “we do not attribute transactions to individuals,” Redbord said of TRM Labs.


    Similarly, CipherTrace’s representative said it “does not attribute wallet data to private individuals, with an exception for sanctioned entities.” It has done that prolifically, boasting in one 2019 blog post of attributing 72,000 Iranian IP addresses to 4.5 million wallets.

    Whether CipherTrace attributes IP addresses to other wallets remains an open question. Top company brass say they don’t maintain “personally identifiable information,” just “business identifiable information.”

    “CipherTrace does not maintain PII, we maintain BII” CipherTrace CEO Dave Jevans said in an interview in June.

    “We understand, for example, what addresses belong to what exchange,” he said. “But we don't track individual information that it’s you at this address; that's not our business. We don't want to do that. We’ll figure out where the money comes in, where the money goes out and then it's up to the courts and law enforcement,” to do the rest.


    As O’Brien, the cybersecurity researcher, noted, CipherTrace’s definition of personally identifiable information appears to exclude IP addresses – along with physical locations, according to one of the company’s own blog posts:

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    (CipherTrace website)

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