can we have a sensible debate about the senate, page-20

Bollocks 4 terms. He'd beat Howard's record.

Abbott is no Howard.
Uncle Joe is no Peter Costello.
The property market is no property boom.

Unless someone can point out where the economic boom will come from in the next 10-20 years, governments in all jurisdictions will be doing it tough.

Costs rising. People getting old. Tax base straining to fund increasing welfare costs.

We should embrace this crazy Senate because they are against Tony's PPL. That should be torpedoed.