Hotrock, You want facts, here are 2, the SP for the last 6...

Hotrock,
You want facts, here are 2, the SP for the last 6 months first of SFR second CDU. SFR is about where it was 6 months ago, CDU has lost 30% of it's value. That is pretty much what the ''downrampers" have been stating would happen. One of the companies IS a copper producer, the other is NOT, yet there have been promises of them starting production 'soon' for ages. Despite your tirade about people knowing nothing, there have been plenty of facts produced, virtually always by those pointing out statements of CDU from the past and how CDU themselves change things without admitting change is happening. Did you read p9 of last September's quarterly? There are statements from the company in there that they will prove wrong themselves next week. Did you read the statement from February headed "Direct Shipping Ore crushing underway", that mentions nothing about DSO and from hindsight is clearly incorrect?
There are many other facts that are continually brought up that are simply missed timelines stated by CDU, all are facts. So how about you do some research first before lambasting people about lack of facts?
You mention copper and the high demand, can you tell us how much copper CDU have mined and stockpiled, because the company certainly isn't bothering to do that. Plus there is the minnor fact of the grade of copper after they get past the jewellery box. According to the facts of the JORC, not that high for a 3mt/a plant.