Wheres can this UPI article be found that everyone keeps referring to??
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These guys absolutely suck. I'm sick of them, they are a cancer on the Earth. Do not let them in what ever you do. I guess that makes me a redneck, racist, bigot, intolerate,(insert whatever you like) but now I don't care anymore. THey can all f#@%k off....
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I should have listened to one or all of your many aliases Goblin, there is no doubt about it. I'd be buying flat out at 23c today if I had. Ah well, thems the breaks. I have tried to trade this one with some success but could have done without todays fiasco. Still, I've been in and out since 8c so perhaps not such a blow. Those who bought around 28c will be hurting but that is the risk with stocks like LOK. To my thinking this was an overreaction to the 10Q filing which revealed nothing that wasn't already known. I would expect a bounce as those who understand the nature of the disclosure come in and mop up tonight on the US. Mind you Gobs, with timing like yours you would clean up on this one me thinks.
regards
Check out what the big money was doing during the fall.
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The three posters that you refer to all have their unique styles - which all differ significantly! I can't understand how anyone could think that they are the same person!- *Removed* this post has been removed from public view
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A leopard does not change its spots, nor a tiger its stripes.
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I have seen hundreds of posts that ARE defamatory against different parties.
My conscience is clear; I don't feel any remorse about what I posted. Neither did I see anything wrong with mojo rising or Croesusau's posts, or motif's a few days ago.
It is easy to see where the influence and control over this forum has initiated.
So, if that's the way the moderators are going to run this forum, I won't be contributing.
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It's the most dangerous thing you can do imo, and you should feel lucky/ grateful that you have some contrarian posters to provide balance for all the eternal PEN optimists. But what would I know?
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I'm in the same boat having traded PEN from time to time.
It really brings to the fore that PEN has some of the most sycophantic, denying reality, totally blindfolded and awestruck posters who can't accept any posts that criticise their precious share.
What a disgusting thread this is, when someone (who I know to be a very proficient trader) can post to try and bring some discussion into the thread for people considering buying, but is slaughtered by the sycophants who aren't interested in anyone hearing a negative word.
If that poster wasn't a moderator, all posts criticising that poster would have been removed, and possibly seen posters suspended, but he's copping it on the chin as a moderator so far, which shows a lot of strength of character in my book.
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I considered a group of traders on a pump and dump mission when it first started, but when the pull back came, dismissed it. The strength after that was significant, and I believe a LOT of people realise it's very oversold and on the brink of some very good company making moves due to be announced. Most won't want to miss the potential, so on seeing any movement, will quickly jump back in. That's no pump and dump.- *Removed* this post has been removed from public view
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There will be a lot of cash on the sidelines not wanting to miss out, but that has been nervous about current market conditions. Movement in stock price is enough to bring that money back in. Nothing to do with management, just investor psychology imo.
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Do you have a 2.7 million deposit for a new home?
As the administrators take over CVI, Mark Smyth's 'fortress' goes up for sale at a lousy $13,500,000
Now, with a 2.7million deposit, and interest rate of 7.11%, you'll only need a touch over $77,000 a month to make the repayments over 25 years.
Feeling sick enough yet?
Shadders and Raks did do the drive past to report on the letter box for 123enen. I remember it well from just after the EGM days.
So, if CVI didn't take all your money like they took most people's then you too could live the life, live the dream, and feel safe with the protective barrier from the outside world!
Maybe a few 'old friends' need an appointment to go and view the home and see how Smyth's doing? Is the dementia well advanced yet? Any house guests? Malcolm Johnson, Anton Tarkanyi, excelsior perhaps?
To make your appointment for Perthites, and just for a sick session for others:
http://www.domain.com.au/Property/For-Sale/House/WA/Mosman-Park/?adid=2008821829
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Goodmorning,
- Earlier this month Commonwealth Bank (CBA) announced its Q1 2025 profit which was flat year-on-year.
- The bank flagged the continued impact of cost-of-living on economic growth as a pressure and while the results met market expectations, on the day of the announcement its share price slid.
- CBA’s results and outlook did not inspire any sell-side analysts to change their recommendations, with most still having CBA as a sell.
- Since then, CBA rallied to hit $160 on the 25th November, over 50% higher than the year before. It is the most expensive bank in the world, as it has been for some time, and now represents almost 10% of the S&P/ASX 200.
- A review of the analysts’ reports highlights the reasons cited for CBA sell recommendations include:
- The results indicated stubborn cost headwinds, with persistent and upward pressure on investment spend;
- competitive pressures especially in mortgages;
- slowing or stalled credit growth; and
- sky-high valuations.
- We have been highlighting the price of CBA and Australia’s banks and the concentration risk they may have become for some time for many Australian equity portfolios.
- Australian banks, on a global basis are the most expensive in the developed world on a 12-month forward price-to-earnings and price-to-book basis.
- Should valuations move to be in line with global valuations and thus better reflect the economic outlook, it could disproportionately impact many Australian portfolios, especially those that track or are benchmarked to the S&P/ASX 200 which we have noted before is concentrated to banks which make up over 20% of the Australian benchmark index.
- Such sector bias makes sense if you are bullish on the sector but given the well-noted pressures on banks remain, with margins under pressure, an economic outlook not conducive to growth and defaults potentially rising given that rates are now not expected to fall until well into 2025, a less concentrated approach to Australian equities may be prudent.
- The VanEck Australian Equal Weight ETF (MVW) is a portfolio construction solution that reduces concentration risk to banks and can be deployed to de-risk and diversify with no one security or sector dominating providing a more balanced exposure to Australia’s economy.
- The Australian research community has reinforced their conviction in MVW’s strategy with favourable ratings, including:
- Lonsec – Highly Recommended
- Zenith – Recommended
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Australian bankvaluations stretched
The shareprice march of CBA so far in 2024 has been impressive. Its price rise hasconfounded many sell-side analysts and fund managers, who have been warning theshares are overvalued, with many recommending a “sell”. Some have mistakenlyblamed CBA’s price rise on the waves of passive investment (weprove that wrong here), the Australian Financial Review also posited the realreason why CBA shares keep rising is steady buying from a loyal band ofretail investors (which we think is more believable) and the (tax) cost ofdivesting.
Manysell-side analysts still have CBA as a ‘sell’ recommendation.
Chart 1: CBA sell-side price recommendations
Source:Bloomberg, as at 26 November 2024. Not a recommendation to act.
This is notonly a CBA story. Australia’s banks have all had a strong year, in terms ofshare price returns, and there is no doubt that Australia’s biggest banksvaluations are stretched and are among the highest globally.
Chart 2 and Chart 3: Global bank valuation; Average big 4, priceto earnings
Charts 2 and3 source: Bloomberg, VanEck 26 November 2024.
But it’s notjust the sky-high valuations that are causing alarm for analysts. Banks alsoface headwinds. A review of the analysts' reports cites cost headwinds, withpersistent and upward pressure on investment spending, increased competitionand slowing or stalled credit growth.
It is worthnoting that, despite rates being as high as they were in 2010 (and beingexpected to stay at that level through to at least the second half of 2025) thebanks’ net interest margins have not increased to the level they were in 2010,as investors may have expected with a return to higher rates. Major banks’ NIMsare more than 20% lower than in 2010, dropping below 2%, as competitivepressures squeeze margins.
Chart 4: Major Banks’ Net Interest Margin* (Domestic,half-yearly)
Released on 6November 2024 (data updated to 31 October 2024)
* Data for a given period relate to banks’ public profit reports released inthat half; IFRS basis from 2006, AGAAP prior, excludes St George Bank andBankwest prior to the first half of 2009.
Sources: Banks’s financial reports; RBAThis impactsthe banks’ earnings. A review of recent estimated earnings per share (EPS)growth highlights that there are no expected material earnings upgrades for thebig four banks. With share prices already at a premium, estimated EPS growthwill further pressure the banks’ share prices.
Table 1: Big 4 Bank - EPS Growth YoY%
FY 2022
FY 2023
FY 2024
1 CBA
15.5
8.4
-4.5
2 ANZ
14.7
5.7
-9.2
3 NAB
10.2
9.4
-1.9
4 WBC
1.2
31.9
-0.2
Source:FactSet, 25 November 2024. Not a recommendation.
Anotherheadwind that Australia’s banks must navigate is the economic outlook. Slowingcredit growth and the expectations that rates will be higher for longerincreasing the potential for arrears will also put pressure on lenders.
The problemfor most Australian investors is that Australian portfolios, especially thosethat track or are benchmarked to the S&P/ASX 200 have a significantexposure to banks because they make up over 20% of the Australian benchmarkindex.
A solution formanaging mega-cap exposure with alternative weighting
VanEck’sAustralian Equal Weight ETF (MVW)equally weights the largest and most liquid stocks on the ASX at eachrebalance. Because of this, at the last rebalance, no company was more than1.39%. MVWhas less exposure to the mega-caps that dominate the S&P/ASX 200 Indexcompared to many Australian equity portfolios. MVW is underweight mega capcompanies and overweight those large companies outside the mega-caps.
Chart 5: Market Cap Weight Differential: MVW vs S&P/ASX 200
Source:VanEck, FactSet; as at 31 October 2024.
Calculatedby subtracting S&P/ASX 200 market cap bin weights from respective MVWmarket cap bin weights; positive differentials indicate greater MVW weight inthe bin
You can seebelow, relative to the S&P/ASX 200, MVWhas a higher weighting to stocks outside the top 15. As at the end of October2024, the big 4 represented 23.24% of the S&P/ASX 200 but were only 5.41%of MVW.
Chart 6: S&P/ASX 200 and MVW company weightings (%)
Source:FactSet, 31 October 2024
Manyadvisers and their investors are already using MVWas their core Australian equity allocation, around which they can addhigh-conviction satellite ideas.
MVW’s resurgentNovember
We have seenthe dynamics noted above playing out in MVW’s recent performance. During therecent bout of market volatility, MVWhas outperformed the S&P/ASX 200 by 0.99% over the past three months,noting of course that past performance cannot be relied upon for futureperformance.
Table 2: Trailing performance to 28 November 2024
MTD (%)
1 mth (%)
3 mths (%)
YTD
(%)
1 yr
(%)
3 yrs
(% p.a.)
5 yrs
(% p.a.)
10 yrs
(% p.a.)Since inception (% p.a.)
1 VanEck Australian Equal Weight ETF (MVW)
3.99
3.24
6.86
13.41
22.49
8.83
7.58
10.00
9.69
2 S&P/ASX 200 Accumulation Index
3.88
3.10
5.87
15.17
24.83
9.46
8.23
9.09
8.59
3 Difference
+0.11
+0.14
+0.99
-1.76
-2.34
-0.63
-0.65
+0.91
+1.10
* MVWInception date is 4 March 2014 a copy of the factsheetis here.
Table 2source: Morningstar Direct, VanEck. The table above shows past performance ofMVW and of the S&P/ASX 200. You cannot invest directly in an index. Resultsare calculated to the last business day of the month and assume immediatereinvestment of distributions. MVWresults are net of management fees and other costs incurred in the fund, butbefore brokerage fees and bid/ask spreads incurred when investors buy/sell onthe ASX. Returns for periods longer than one year are annualised. Past performance is not a reliable indicator of future performance. The S&P/ASX 200 Index is shown for comparison purposes as it is the widely recognised benchmark used to measure the performance of the broad Australian equities market. It includes the 200 largest ASX-listed companies, weighted by market capitalisation. MVW’s index measures the performance of the largest and most liquid ASX-listed companies, weighted equally at rebalance. MVW’s index has fewer companies and different industry allocations than the S&P/ASX 200. Clickhere for more details.
In additionto MVW,another way to take advantage of the current market dynamics is our recentlylaunched VanEck Geared Australian Equal Weight Fund (Hedge Fund) (GMVW).
Keypoints
Some of thereasons advisers have been employing MVWfor their clients’ portfolios are:
- Diversification – close to 2 ½ times more diversified than the S&P/ASX 200, as measured by the Herfindahl Index*.
- Style – equal weighting is compelling in Australia and blends well with other high conviction stock/manager satellite positions, without creating too much overlap.
- Consistency – this is a rules based strategy, no manager views, no single stock bets.
- Cost effective – 0.35% p.a. managementfee which is much lower than active Australian equities managers (almost 1/3 the average), allowing investors to reduce total portfolio costs.
- Research support – MVW has been awarded ratings of:
- Highly Recommended by Lonsec
- Recommended by Zenith
To receive acopy of research reports or for more information on MVW please contact me orvisit our website here.
Keyrisks
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Many thanks,
from Van Eyk
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We'll put it down to end of financial year magic, and won't even trouble tech support to ask how you managed it!
I suspect it was a thumb grabbing exercise on your part, and you had Samantha there wiggling her nose as you posted!
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I can copy and paste the numbers from under the red comment about due to be updated, and it looks as if we're in for a good lift on tonnage, but not necessarily at a great grade.
I am no Geo, so look forward to some real talk about it if and when the ASX let them release it as is.
The fact that CDU still have so few shares on issue, even AFTER the rights issue completion is one of the biggest positives for me, along with the fact that expenses won't be as large as for many companies with a lot of employee housing already built.
Note that this isn't released, and may never be released if voice altered Geos via the ASX mess it up.
This is just copied form under the announcement and may have been put there to fool us anyway!
30.3mt @ 1.7% CuEq
(0.8% cut-off) Measured and Indicated
97.9mt @ 0.96% CuEq
(0.4% cut-off) Measured and Indicated
272.9mt @ 0.62% CuEq
(0.2% cut-off) Measured & Indicated and inferred
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Right now, imo it's a buy.
What does that have to do with anything else?
Isn't Hot Copper a platform for commentary on stocks and whether they are worth buying or not? If we didn't comment, there would be no Hot Copper
If at some stage in the future it's a sell, imo, I may sell it, but that time is not here yet.
Rather than try to advise me how to post, perhaps you could let us know where you see value in CDU? Do you wait for it to be proven and moving up again?
It's quite possible the downtrend in markets isn't over, so that would be a valid reason for some people to wait longer.
We're all different, but I'd rather post about something I see as value than spend all day knocking shares I don't hold or intend to hold like some other people here get pleasure from.
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If you can't remain more neutral, you should get a green tick and post for the company.
You simply can't give a value on it without ALL the information.
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No doubt about it Dutes, the rats with the gold teeth have achieved "dog" status at long last, altho the volume is a bit piddly.
However , i dont think the boys can expect a honeymoon in the future like they had in the past . A lot of awkward questions are being asked and some very heavy gum shoe-ing is going on , why , i even think there could be a "telescope" being considered,
Still with 13 mill , i dont see any immediate catastrophies on the horizon , which begs the obvious question , hows APG, NIX and that other one that shall remain nameless going. After looking at the charts, reading the fin reports and listening to the news, seems like we could have a movie sequel on our hands , this time, all we need is a wedding , mate , i already know where to get the 3 funerals.
Cheers
OI NQ , how they hanging?
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He was suspected of being Bendigo. Maybe the mods worked it out.
Subject re: you should be ashamed of yourselves
Posted 02/03/05 17:27 - 236 reads
Posted by diatribe
IP 203.51.xxx.xxx
Post #529197 - in reply to msg. #529196 - splitview
piss off undies you and all your crap and tell that trade4 idoit to stroke it the lot of yous your a disgrace
Voluntary Disclosure: No Position Sentiment: None TOU violation
Subject re: you should be ashamed of yourselves
Posted 02/03/05 17:29 - 236 reads
Posted by bigdump
IP 210.49.xxx.xxx
Post #529199 - in reply to msg. #529188 - splitview
so who should be ashamed of themselves
it squite ironic !
Isn't talking to ones self a form of madness
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Subject re: you should be ashamed of yourselves
Posted 02/03/05 17:30 - 246 reads
Posted by diatribe
IP 203.51.xxx.xxx
Post #529201 - in reply to msg. #529199 - splitview
fark u 2 fool ramper
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Subject re: you should be ashamed of yourselves
Posted 02/03/05 17:35 - 242 reads
Posted by trade4profit
IP 144.139.xxx.xxx
Post #529204 - in reply to msg. #529197 - splitview
diatribe...
Here are the posts you refer to "6 - 8 weeks ago"...
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Subject copper strike.. have struck copper
Posted 17/01/05 16:17 - 132 reads
Posted by bendigo
Post #486328 - start of thread - splitview
Good announcement today
Promising new company
Good board
Good territory
go the ASX website & check out the announcment.
Cheers
Bendigo
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Subject re: copper strike.. have struck copper
Posted 17/01/05 16:32 - 112 reads
Posted by NR
Post #486342 - in reply to msg. #486328 - splitview
all ready on them bendigo......awaiting further annonucements.......
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Subject re: copper strike.. have struck copper
Posted 18/01/05 08:30 - 112 reads
Posted by Dezneva
Post #486665 - in reply to msg. #486328 - splitview
Yep, I agree. I know the people as well. They have a whole heap of old TEC ground. Its a great hit. and I think they are continuing the drilling.
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These were the first 3 posts ever on CSE.
Although Dezneva only posted "...I know the people as well...", I can see how you may have remebered that as "...the boss being a good bloke..."
Problem is, it was Bendigo he was replying to and not you!
How do you explain that?
Cheers!
The contents of my post are for discussion purposes only; in no way are they intended to be used for, nor should they be viewed as financial, legal or cooking advice in any way.
Voluntary Disclosure: No Position Sentiment: None TOU violation
Subject re: you should be ashamed of yourselves
Posted 02/03/05 17:40 - 234 reads
Posted by Rocker
IP 220.253.xxx.xxx
Post #529215 - in reply to msg. #529204 - splitview
well picked up T4P
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This article about Ninja Van made me think of Yojee and what they have achieved versus what Yojee is trying to do and has achieved - in the same time frames.
https://www.cnbc.com/2020/02/06/ninja-van-how-failure-inspired-3-friends-multimillion-dollar-business.html
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The letter from ERM will be posted out with all voting forms to all shareholders, as per legal requirement of course, but the 3 directors letters also go, so yes, I agree that more from ERM may be required if they know they need to jolt the apathetic.
Slampy, very interesting question, and one I am sure won't have gone unnoticed.
Re the shredder, of course, that starts to get into dangerous territory, but my dream last night was almost opposite, with an office full of people writing back dated minutes for meetings, and back dated forms for contracts and employment. It was a hectic dream, and I hope there's no reality in it at all.
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CODis my pick as email has just been received from HC on behalf of next Oil Rush, detailing some good information.
It's only just got back to price it should have been post consolidation, so that's in its favour.
Very little to sell, I like that, as it will move quickly.
Many won't have received the email yet as they're at work, etc.
Read more here.
http://www.nextoilrush.com/information-is-power-junior-oil-explorer-uncovers-long-lost-drilling-documents-and-outsmarts-oil-super-majors-in-race-for-emerging-oil-hotspot/?utm_source=HCMO
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Salty - howsabout an email update please imo!!- *Removed* this post has been removed from public view
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Lots of reading today!
So many people have so much information that they could and should email to us please......
[email protected]
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