CB, I never though I would give you a Thumbs Up but in this instance I DID. Someone saying what he did has really buried his heads down that far that there isn't much of their body left out of the ground.
As if, the person answering the questions would tell the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth, when the decision was made at Board Level.
The past records of never reaching the set milestones are there for anyone willing to take full notice of them. Period!!
So, what hope is there that things will be different this time around.?? I never supported the CTPSA, but I agree that they should do what the majority of their members tell them to do.
If member Jake don't agree with what has been recommended and in fear of loosing that stupid idea/proposition of "POSSIBLY" collecting something in 4 years time, he should sell out now and move on. That is what democracy is all about.
Originally posted by gasoroil ↑How corrupt is that document
The directors should be in Jail
How can you have a penalty clause if directors change there mind and say no 2 million
And if it isn't in best interest of shareholders directors still must recommend
Surely this has to be unlawful
So why would we trust the board
Sack the board nowExpand
Gasoroil, I agree with you previous comments, that the CTPSA should seek legal advice a.s.a.p in regard to a class action against the Company and it's Directors.
""(If some one else makes an offer to CTP then Bidcon can seek reimbursement of @2,040 Mil)"" Originally posted by Camdenbob ↑How about this one
12.2 Reimbursement Fee triggers
If some one else makes an offer to CTP then Bidcon can seek reimbursement of @2,040 Mil
That is like real estate agent knocking on your million dollar home an saying we offer you $200,000. to buy your home. You say let me ask my family , You ask and they send you to the local hospital to see if your in charge of your faculties. The offer is naturally refused and the Agent says here is by account of $2,040 Mil for asking you to sell your home.
I might be Old, I may white BUT I ain't GREEN
CB [email protected]
12.2 Reimbursement Fee triggers
Central must pay the Reimbursement Fee to BidCo, without set-off or
withholding, if:
(a) any member of Central Board:
(i) has failed to recommend the Proposed Transaction in the manner
described in clause 6.1; or
(ii) has changed his or her recommendation to the Scheme
Shareholders that they vote in favour of the resolution to approve
the Scheme (including any adverse modification of his or her
recommendation) or otherwise made a public statement indicating
that he or she no longer supports the Proposed Transaction, other
than:
(A) where the change of recommendation or public statement is
made following the receipt of the report of the Independent
Expert where that report states that in the opinion of the
Independent Expert the Scheme is not in the best interests
of Central Shareholders (other than where a Competing
Proposal has been proposed or announced before the report
is issued where the Independent Expert’s conclusion is due
wholly or partly to the existence, announcement or
publication of a Competing Proposal); or
(B) where Central has terminated this deed pursuant to its right
to terminate under clause 11.1(b)(i) or 11.1(b)(iv).
(b) a Competing Proposal of any kind is announced during the Exclusivity
Period (whether or not such proposal is stated to be subject to any preconditions)
and within 12 months of the date of such announcement:Expand
CB, is that $2.040 millions or is it $2.040 billion dollars.??
That commer has got me a little confused.
Fully agree with you Colourofmoney. MQG would have all their plans in place by now in order not to make it fail. Originally posted by colourofmoney ↑If you believe that MQG will not have a decent chance to secure the necessarily vote %, then you may be misinformed. I do not confess to know the exact share accumulated by MQG, but if you think it is 10,000,000 only, think again.
To beat MQG in most of what they do, some powerful backers will be required, where are these going to come from, not the mum and dads that's for sure.
But but but, I agree that to vote this miserable and less than acceptable offer down is the only way to go.Expand
What this Board did, after reading what Camdenbob posted here for everyone to share, is totally beyond comprehension IMO.
""(Does anyone know with certainty, if MBL are allowed to purchase any further shares either on-market or off-market, now that they have made an offer by way of a S of A? Originally posted by jake0002 ↑Does anyone know with certainty, if MBL are allowed to purchase any further shares either on-market or off-market, now that they have made an offer by way of a S of A?
according to my quick look at CTP A/R, MBL still had only 10m shares, or 2.31% ( am happy to be corrected).
Normally a s/h only has to lodge a Sub S/H Notice once it reaches 5%.
But I am pretty sure that under takeover law, an acquirer must notify the market when it's holding increases by each 1%. So when MBL shareholding changes to 3.31% it must notify ASX.
Also MBK cannot pay more on market (or off market) than it is paying to everyone else.
I am not sure how they would treat the Contingent payment?
( this is a similar situation to the t/o payment terms of Interoil???)
I am pretty sure that this is a treated like any other t/over, and it is simply being conducted by way of a S of A.
ergo all the T/O rules still apply.
so IF MBL purchased any of those shares traded on market they:
- would have to notify the market immediately ie next day
- they could not purchase any shares above 20c
if we do not hear from MBL Monday, then they did not purchase any.
any shares held by associates or Related Parties of MBL would be counted within the declared MBL shareholding.
The claims by a poster that MBL has used nominee companies to hide other shareholdings I believe is rubbish - because there has been no evidence to back up those claims, and MBL simply would not be so dumb as to do that! They are a Bank, and that could even put their Banking License in question. Why would they ruin their reputation over CTP?
We should Stick to facts - not scaremongering.
Just let CTP S/h Assoc do their best.
I am sure people will ask the difficult questions on the Tuesday meeting.
As I have found in very, very similar situations, a face to face meeting with Mgt is terrific - because you can put all the difficult questions directly to the decision makers. Then judge the response for yourself.
Then s/h can walk away, and decide what they want to do.
The power is still in the hands of CTP shareholders.
If the Scheme does not get the required hurdle rate, then the Scheme fails.
SimpleExpand
according to my quick look at CTP A/R, MBL still had only 10m shares, or 2.31% ( am happy to be corrected).
Normally a s/h only has to lodge a Sub S/H Notice once it reaches 5%.
But I am pretty sure that under takeover law, an acquirer must notify the market when it's holding increases by each 1%. So when MBL shareholding changes to 3.31% it must notify ASX.)""
Jake, I don't mean to insult you in any ways or form, but obviously you don't know how the market and the SoA's really works.
Of course MQG will not buy any shares themselves but they will have someone else buying them for themselves under a different entity, and then handing them over to MQG when the time will come. And they will not be doing it for nothing either, there will be some form of compensation money wise for them to do so which, none of us will never know.
As for the 5% required before it has to be notified to the ASX, well it is correct. But in reading what I have explained above, you will soon realise that they will not need to do it at all. There will be some specialist financial institutions doing it for them. Deutsche bank, Nab, Swiss banks, CBA, are just a few that quickly comes to mind. JUST WAIT AND SEE. They will be the ones telling the market what they own shareholding wise.
It was only yesterday or early tis morning when I was having a relaxing cup of tea that I posted a post explaining how the system works and how the bidder company will get around the rules and regulations in place, to get what they want, while it is all legal. It is sad state of affirs that the big end of town will continuously get away with what they want while the poor mums and dads invetsors are skinned laive and robbed of all their savings.
""(I strongly suggest you read the SOA Originally posted by Camdenbob ↑I strongly suggest you read the SOA
Also you are confusing Take over Provisions with a Scheme of Arrangement.
CB
[email protected]Expand
Also you are confusing Take over Provisions with a Scheme of Arrangement.)""
It strongly appears to me that he hasn't, and that he is very confused about the way the takeovers and the SoA's operate.
They are two tally different kettle of fish. Period!!
""(Good questions Jake0002, and in my opinion you've got the right attitude. I would think that Macquarie (and related entities) would still have to follow the ASX rules with regards notification if they reach and thereafter exceed the 5% threshold.)"" Originally posted by O&GInvestor ↑Good questions Jake0002, and in my opinion you've got the right attitude. I would think that Macquarie (and related entities) would still have to follow the ASX rules with regards notification if they reach and thereafter exceed the 5% threshold. Likewise this is a minnow of a takeover for them, so they would not be interested in misbehaving (any more than the Scheme of Arrangement legally allows them to).
Suspect the current selling is those in the green are selling out (in case it falls over) and punters are jumping in for a quick buck if the CVN's amount to anything.
The CPSA is looking into all these scenarios and more. If anyone wants to help it would be worthwhile getting info on any company or minority shareholding group who has gone up against Macquarie (or a similar investment bank) in the past. Whether they have won or lost the key players could probably provide good suggestions all the same.Expand
Correct oilandgasinvetsor, but you are mixed up about the rules and conditions which are set up with these SoA's.
I have made it very clear before that MQG will not be doing the buying of any shares. They will have someone else under a different named entity to do it for them, and to be used in their favour when the time for the voting will come.
They will keep a count as to how many people with go against the first part/condition of the SoA to take place and will make sure that they will have the minimum 50% number required to get them to the second stage where they will need to get 75% of the total shares voted. Facts mate.
And all that, although it seems very unfair, it is all legal and blessed in full by our Regulators. That is what is called Capitalism my friend.
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