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12/02/20

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Originally posted by wotsup ↑

So once again, the Tonio IGNORES many witness's, many valid points, and walks off into the wilderness, totally ignoring the many valid points and verses.

Why does it offend you when Jesus says that he came down from heaven?It does not offend me, it is your unbiblical take on the meaning of what Jesus himself is referring to.

Why do you grumble about this? = As above.

Deu 18:18

I will raise them up a Prophet from among their brethren, like unto thee (man), and will put my words in his mouth; and he shall speak unto them all that I shall command him.

[COLOR=#212121]If Jesus pre-existed, He would of had to have been a Spirit and could NOT be a 2nd Adam;[/COLOR]
[SIZE=5]Luke 24:39 -[/SIZE]
[B][COLOR=inherit]Behold [/COLOR][/B][SIZE=5][SIZE=5]my hands and my feet, that it is I myself: handle me, and see; [/SIZE][B][SIZE=5][COLOR=inherit]for a spirit hath not flesh and bones, as ye see me have.[/COLOR][/SIZE][/B][SIZE=5]Heb 13:8 - [/SIZE][FONT=Roboto][COLOR=#001320][BCOLOR=#ffffff][SIZE=24px][SIZE=24px]Jesus Christ the same yesterday, and to day, and [/SIZE][/SIZE][/BCOLOR][/COLOR][COLOR=#ff0000][BCOLOR=#ffffff][SIZE=24px]for ever.[/SIZE][/BCOLOR][/COLOR][/FONT][SIZE=5][SIZE=5]2 Cor 11:14 - [/SIZE][FONT=Roboto][COLOR=#001320][BCOLOR=#ffffff][SIZE=16px][SIZE=16px]For if he that cometh preacheth [/SIZE][/SIZE][/BCOLOR][/COLOR][COLOR=#ff0000][BCOLOR=#ffffff][SIZE=24px][B][COLOR=inherit]another Jesus,[/COLOR][/B][/SIZE][/BCOLOR][/COLOR][COLOR=#001320][BCOLOR=#ffffff][SIZE=16px][SIZE=16px] whom we have not preached, or [/SIZE][/SIZE][/BCOLOR][/COLOR][/FONT][I][I][FONT=Roboto][COLOR=#001320][SIZE=16px]if[/SIZE][/COLOR][/FONT][/I][/I][SIZE=16px][FONT=Roboto][COLOR=#001320][BCOLOR=#ffffff][SIZE=16px] ye receive [/SIZE][B][SIZE=16px][COLOR=inherit][COLOR=#ff0000][SIZE=16px]another spirit,[/SIZE][/COLOR][/COLOR][/SIZE][/B][I][SIZE=16px] (a god the holy spirit separate from the Almighty God and Father) [/SIZE][/I][SIZE=16px][SIZE=16px]which ye have [/SIZE][B][COLOR=inherit]not received,[/COLOR][/B][SIZE=16px] or another gospel, which ye have not accepted, ye might well bear with [/SIZE][/SIZE][/BCOLOR][/COLOR][/FONT][/SIZE][I][I][FONT=Roboto][COLOR=#001320][SIZE=16px]him[/SIZE][/COLOR][/FONT][/I][/I][FONT=Roboto][COLOR=#001320][BCOLOR=#ffffff][SIZE=16px].[/SIZE][/BCOLOR][/COLOR][/FONT][/SIZE][/SIZE]

But Jesus, knowing in Himself that His disciples are grumbling about this, said to them, “Does this offend you? 62Then what if you should see the Son of Man ascending to where He was before?

He was before -> Eph 3:9 - And to make all men see what is the fellowship of the mystery, which from the beginning of the world hath been hid in God, who created all things:
John 17:5 - And now Glorify Me You, Father, with Yourself with Glory insofar held (I had) before-> the world -->existed->, with You.

This Glory, the likes of Eph, was held by none other than the Almighty God and Father before his plans for a world, came into being.
2 Tim 1:9 - Who hath saved us, and calledus with an holy calling, not according to our works, but according to his own purpose and grace, which was given us in Christ Jesus before the world began,

These people referred to in this Tim verse can rightfully asks God the following and YOU can NOT deny this TRUTH;
And now Glorify Me You, Father, with Yourself with Glory insofar held (I had) before-> the world -->existed->, with You.

On you line of thinking and if you going to be consistent, then YOU are saying these people Pre-existed which is NOT of God, likewise, Jesus did Not pre-exist.

Prior to your quote, Jesus says he is the Bread that came down = the Bread -> Titus 1:2 - In hope of eternal life, which God, that cannot lie, promised before time eternal;
This is the Bread from Heaven Jesus says -> John 12:49 - For I have not [SIZE=16px]spoken of myself[/SIZE]
->(The Word, Luke 8:12-13)[SIZE=16px];[/SIZE] but the Father which sent me, he gave me a commandment, what I should say, and what I should speak.

[B]And these words, the Bread -> [/B]
John 6:68 - Then Simon Peter answered him, Lord, to whom shall we go? thou hast the words of eternal life.1 Peter 1:23 - Being born again, not of corruptible seed, but of incorruptible, by the word of God, which liveth and abideth for ever.

I speak NOT of myself, the Word = the Word of God, words of eternal life, which were in the Beginning with The God and Not Me -> Jesus.

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If Jesus pre-existed, He would of had to have been a Spirit and could NOT be a 2nd Adam;

Hi Wotsup,
We all have a spirit and a body
The Spirit of Christ is God
The Word that was God became flesh (John 1:1 & John 1:14)
The Word became man and that man is Jesus, the 2nd Adam
Jesus did pre-exist as the Word. Remember, all things were made through the Word, All things were made through Jesus.
Jesus is the Word, the Word is Jesus.

Luke 24:39 -
Behold my hands and my feet, that it is I myself: handle me, and see; for a spirit hath not flesh and bones, as ye see me have.

Wotsup
You have not read this verse in its' context.
While the Apostles were gather together, Jesus suddenly appeared amongst them and they were frightened .
They believed they were seeing a Ghost .
That is why Jesus says "handle me"

Luke 24:37
Aramaic Bible in Plain English
And they were alarmed and were in terror, for they thought that they were seeing a ghost.

Wotsup,
Jesus is saying he is not a ghost but showing that he is resurrected flesh and bone

Heb 13:8 - Jesus Christ the same yesterday, and to day, and for ever.

Wotsup,
Jesus was always God.
He was always the only Begotten God
Eternally brought forth from the Father,
otherwise he could not be the same yesterday, today and forever.

John 16:28
28I came forth from the Father and have come into the world; again I leave the world and go to the Father.”

Wotsup,
Jesus is saying that he is leaving the world again and going to the Father.
That means he must have pre-existed and been on earth in the past to now be going again to the Father
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