Tonio, the areas we touch on, have many branches and these branches NEED climbing IF one wants the whole truth.Otherwise, you will keep on following the creations your trinity family create.
In this long posts of truths, which were NOT off topic, the whole truth, VERY CLEAR examples from the Bible were given to You to show how Jesus can say --> For I came down from heaven.
So WHY don't you, LOOK and SEE and then address them with Bible counter verses.
What you and I say without Bible backing, is ????
For I came down from heaven, not to do mine own will, but the will of him that sent me.
Sent me --> John 17:18 - As thou hast sent me into the world, even so have I also sent them into the world.
As Jesus was raised Due 18:18, FILLED with the Bread = The Word and Plan of God, Jesus likewise, led and taught them and THEN, like he was sent, He SENT them INTO the world.
OK Tonio --> Heb 13:8 - Jesus Christ the same yesterday, and to day, and for ever.
Is it or is it not, the Man Jesus saying these words --> "For I came down from heaven".
WHERE did the man Jesus begin = conception at Mary.
Does it say the Man Jesus, the one that is the same, from beginning of him and remains the Same forever, came down in a mans body = NO.
Does a Man pre-exist physically = NO.
Does the Bible not say, the Man Jesus is the 2nd Adam, come into being some thousands of years after the first one?
John 6:51 - I am the living bread which came down from heaven: if any man eat of this bread, he shall live for ever: and the bread that I will give is my flesh, which I will give for the life of the world.
This bread before it became in the Flesh, manifested, come alive -> Eph 3:9 And to make all men see what is the fellowship of the mystery, which from the beginning of the world hath been hid in --> God, who --> created all things:
2 Tim 1:9 - Who hath saved us, and called us with an holy calling, not according to our works, but according to [SIZE=16px]his own purpose [/SIZE][SIZE=16px]and grace, which was [/SIZE][B][SIZE=16px]given us[/SIZE][/B][SIZE=16px][SIZE=16px] in Christ Jesus before time eternal,[/SIZE][/SIZE]
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[SIZE=16px][SIZE=16px]Titus 1:2 [/SIZE][FONT=Roboto][COLOR=#001320][BCOLOR=#ffffff][SIZE=16px]In hope of eternal life, which God, that cannot lie, promised before time eternal;[/SIZE][/BCOLOR][/COLOR][BCOLOR=#ffffff][/bcolor][/FONT][BCOLOR=#ffffff][/bcolor][/SIZE][BCOLOR=#ffffff][FONT=Roboto][COLOR=#001320][/COLOR][/FONT][/BCOLOR][FONT=Roboto][COLOR=#001320][/COLOR][/FONT]
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[FONT=Roboto][COLOR=#001320][BCOLOR=#ffffff][SIZE=16px][SIZE=16px][B]Jesus refers to this bread, before it became alive in him;[/B][/SIZE][/SIZE][/BCOLOR][/COLOR][/FONT]
[FONT=Roboto][COLOR=#001320][BCOLOR=#ffffff][SIZE=16px][SIZE=16px]John 5:39 - [SIZE=16px][FONT=Roboto][COLOR=#001320][BCOLOR=#ffffff]Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me.[/BCOLOR][/COLOR][/FONT][/SIZE][/SIZE][/SIZE][/BCOLOR][/COLOR][/FONT]
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[FONT=Roboto][COLOR=#001320][BCOLOR=#ffffff][SIZE=16px][SIZE=16px]So Jesus had clearly read the scriptures, that spoke of a future Jesus, himself.[/SIZE][/SIZE][/BCOLOR][/COLOR][/FONT]
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[SIZE=16px][SIZE=5][SIZE=5]So the Bread before it came into and part of Jesus, manifested to us,....was in the mind, plans of God, hence Jesus said --> [/SIZE][I][SIZE=5][SIZE=5][SIZE=5]not to do mine own will, [/SIZE][B]but the will of him that [/B][/SIZE][B][SIZE=5]sent me.[/SIZE][/B][/SIZE][B][/B][/I][/SIZE][/SIZE][SIZE=5][I][B][/b][/I][/SIZE][I][B][/b][/i][B][/b]
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[SIZE=16px][SIZE=16px][SIZE=5]John 6:33 - [/SIZE][FONT=Roboto][COLOR=#001320][BCOLOR=#ffffff][SIZE=16px][B][SIZE=16px]For the bread of God[I] (Titus, 2 Tim, Eph)[/I][/SIZE][/B][SIZE=16px][SIZE=16px] is he which cometh down from heaven, and [/SIZE][B]giveth life unto the world.[/B][/SIZE][B][/b][/SIZE][B][/B][/BCOLOR][B][/b][/COLOR][B][/b][/FONT][B][/b][/SIZE][B][/b][/SIZE][B][/b]
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[SIZE=16px][B][SIZE=16px]Are you paying attention, the Bread is of God, the word of God, which Produced Jesus, as in God's word to the Angel who brought these words down from heaven and gave to Mary.[/SIZE][/B][/SIZE][B][/B]
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[SIZE=16px][SIZE=16px]John 1:4 In Him life was......................Him Here is the Almighty God and Father.[/SIZE][/SIZE]
[SIZE=16px][SIZE=16px]Then God raised Jesus --> John 12:49 - [/SIZE][FONT=Roboto][COLOR=#001320][BCOLOR=#ffffff][SIZE=16px][B]For I have not spoken of myself;[/B][SIZE=16px] but the Father which sent me, he gave me a commandment, what I should say, and what I should speak.[/SIZE][/SIZE][/BCOLOR][/COLOR][/FONT][/SIZE]
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[SIZE=16px][SIZE=16px]Do the Fathers will and these words of the Fathers ARE Spirit and Life.[/SIZE][/SIZE]
[SIZE=16px][SIZE=16px]By Jesus being GIVEN them = John 5:26 For as the Father has life in Himself (John 1:4) so has he give to the Son (The Word/Spirit) to have life in Himself.[/SIZE][/SIZE]
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[SIZE=16px][SIZE=16px]God give Jesus, the Spirit/Word without measure to enable him to have life in himself.[/SIZE][/SIZE]
[SIZE=16px][SIZE=16px]And God's word is Light, hence by Jesus being GIVEN the Word meant -> John 12:46 - [/SIZE][FONT=Roboto][COLOR=#001320][BCOLOR=#ffffff][SIZE=16px][SIZE=16px]I am come[/SIZE][/SIZE][/BCOLOR][/COLOR][/FONT][SIZE=5][FONT=Roboto][COLOR=#001320][BCOLOR=#00ffff][B] a [/B][/BCOLOR][/COLOR][/FONT][/SIZE][FONT=Roboto][COLOR=#001320][BCOLOR=#ffffff][SIZE=16px][SIZE=16px]light into the world, that whosoever believeth on me should not abide in darkness.[/SIZE][/SIZE][/BCOLOR][/COLOR][/FONT][/SIZE]
Jesus is neither The Word, the Holy Spirit or The Light, as He was Given these things.
Jesus was the manifestation, God's word, plan, come alive so to speak.
It was God's plan which includes himself that came down and into the Temple, Jesus.
John 14:10 - Believest thou not that I am in the Father, and the Father in me? the words that I speak unto you I speak not of myself: but the Father that dwelleth in me, he doeth the works.
So, come on then Tonio, produce a single verse which shows, that by the Almighty God and Father coming into the Temple,...that that now means, the Almighty God and Father became this Temple.
Sounds stupid eh?
But based on your belief, YOU need to produce such a verse as that is WHAT you are swallowing and telling us.
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