Tonio mate -> There are times and no matter how hard it is to do, YOU need to LOOK past your blinkers to SEE Truth.
As you may have noticed, I rarely if at all quote other peoples writings, because if they have it wrong, then I am as guilty as them.
But on this occasion, just for you, I thought I was use one of your own family members Bias take on the meaning of Logos as YOU Tonio don't appear to be able to see, understand, accept anything directly from one of God's -> wotsup.
SO,....your own family member, states in no uncertain terms, the REAL meaning of Logos and then runs OFF the rails due to his set Seeds taking over.
So your guy, CONFIRMED EXACTLY what I or WE, have been trying to tell You.
Sad part though, it still flew OVER or past your head.
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John’s Gospel begins by using the Greek idea of a
“divine reason”
or“the mind of God” as a way to connect with the readers of his day, who mostly spoke Greek, = FULL STOP and of story!
Case closed, wotsup's claim your logos means as much as divine reason, the mind of God as it does His word as in divine reason, the mind of God Expressed into word.
Hence -> In beginning was the word-> “divine reason”
or“the mind of God”
and the word -> “divine reason”
or“the mind of God”
was with the God and God was the word -> “divine reason”
or“the mind of God”
.
The same, this, it -> “divine reason”
or“the mind of God”
was in the beginning the God.
1:3 - All things through him -> “divine reason”
or“the mind of God”
came into being -> God expressed, God said, God said, and without Him - “divine reason”
or“the mind of God”
came into being not even one that has come into being.
1:4 In Him -> “divine reason”
or“the mind of God”
-> life was and that life -> “divine reason”
or“the mind of God”
was the light of men -> Psa 119:105 - Thy word is a lamp unto my feet, and a light unto my path.
Light -> Titus 1:2 - In hope of eternal life, which God, that cannot lie, promised before time eternal;
God -> This now is the eternal life that they should know YOU the ONLY TRUE God and WHOM you have sent, Jesus ->(God is salvation, God saves) Christ ->(the anointed MAN).
and introduce Jesus to them as -> John 20:31 - But these are written, that ye might believe that Jesus is[SIZE=5]the Christ, the Son [/SIZE][B]of[/B][SIZE=5] God;[/SIZE]and that believing ye might have lifethrough his name. = The Word OF God.
Name ONLY -> John 12:49 - [BCOLOR=#ffffff][SIZE=16px]For I have [/SIZE][B][SIZE=16px]not spoken of myself;[/SIZE][/B][SIZE=16px] but the Father which sent me, he gave me a commandment, what I should say, and what I should speak.
Jesus became the carrier of these words of eternal life, and these words included much about Jesus was well.[/SIZE][SIZE=5][SIZE=5]And these words are Spirit which the God and Father is, The Holy Spirit, John 6:63, 4:24 and words of eternal life John 6:68 as God has life in himself John 1:4 to which he gave to Jesus when he gave him His word = The Word = the word of God John 5:26.[/SIZE]
[SIZE=5]And this was only after many years of being raised, taught up to his Baptism where he then had Spirit/Word in him without measure so he could THEN be SENT INTO the world, to Bring, give the Word of Life.[/SIZE]
[FONT=Roboto][COLOR=#ff0000][BCOLOR=#ffffff][SIZE=16px][B]1 John 1 - That[I] -> (Not Jesus)[/I][/B][/SIZE][/BCOLOR][/COLOR][/FONT][SIZE=16px][FONT=Roboto][COLOR=#001320][BCOLOR=#ffffff][SIZE=16px][SIZE=16px] which was from the beginning, which we have heard, which we have seen with our eyes, which we have looked upon, and our hands have handled, of [/SIZE][/SIZE][COLOR=#ff0000][SIZE=16px][B]the Word of life;[/B][/SIZE][/COLOR][/BCOLOR][/COLOR][/FONT][/SIZE][/SIZE][/BCOLOR]
(Your hands etc have handled creation etc, Gen).
(For the life was manifested, and we have seen it, and bear witness -> (To the word of God, spoken) , and shew unto you that eternal life, which was with the Father, and was manifested unto us
(He is Not talking about showing them Jesus = showing the word of God)
was with the Father, -> Titus 1:2 - In hope of eternal life, which God, that cannot lie, promised before time eternal;
2 Tim 1:9 - Who (God) hath saved us, and called us with an holy calling, not according to our works, but according to his own purpose and grace, which was given us in Christ Jesus before time eternal,
1 John 1:3 - [SIZE=16px][SIZE=16px]That which we have seen and [/SIZE][/SIZE][SIZE=16px][B]heard[/B][/SIZE][SIZE=16px][SIZE=16px] declare we unto you, that ye also may have fellowship with us: and truly our fellowship [/SIZE][/SIZE][COLOR=#001320][SIZE=16px]is[/SIZE][/COLOR][BCOLOR=#ffffff][SIZE=16px] with the Father, [/SIZE][B]and [/B][SIZE=16px]with his Son Jesus Christ.
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. Greek philosophy may have used the word in reference to divine reason,but John used it the EXACT SAME way, Hebrew ROOTS and all.....to note many of the attributes of Jesus. In John’s use of the Logos concept, we find that
Jesus is was NOT eternal (“In the beginning was the Word”clear.png“divine reason”
or“the mind of God”
He now only has immortality as he is dwelling in the Almighty God and Fathers light, that He is 1 John 1:5, Father of it James 1:7 -> 1 Tim 6:16 - Who only hath immortality, dwelling in the light which no man can approach unto; whom no man hath seen, nor can see: to whom be honour and power everlasting. Amen.
This light is God's word -> dwelling in the light is aligned to, Jesus dwelling in the Bosom of the God and Father John 1:18.
-Jesus was with God prior to coming to earth (“the Word was with God”clear.png“divine reason”
or“the mind of God”
Are YOU calling God a liar, or the carrier, supporter of this lie? -> Due 18:18 - I will raise them up a Prophet from among their brethren, like unto thee, and will put my words in his mouth; and he shall speak unto them all that I shall command him.
NO hint of a pre-existing Jesus, other than “divine reason”
or“the mind of God”
-Jesus is God (“the Word was God.”clear.png
Not according to the Man himself - John 17:3 This now is the eternal life that they should know You, the Only TRUE God and whom you have sent, Jesus Christ.
-Jesus is Creator (“All things were made through him”clear.png
Jesus himself tells us that his Almighty God and Father created man and he says, Have you not READ = exactly HOW Jesus himself found OUT.
AND You Tonio, have no way of getting around the likes of the many following verses;
Isa 44:24 - Thus saith Yahweh, thy redeemer, and he that formed thee from the womb, I Yahweh that maketh allthings; that stretcheth forth the heavens alone; that spreadeth abroad the earth by myself;
God and God alone did all this -> Through, by reason of, on account of, because of, for the sake of, The Jesus TO BE.
-Jesus is the Giver of Life (“In him was life”clear.png
John 12:49 - For I have not spoken of myself; but the Father which sent me, he gave me a commandment, what I should say, and what I should speak. -> And these words are Spirit and words of eternal life and by being GIVEN them, he had life in himself, just as the Father has life in himself, John 1:4, John 5:26
1 Peter 1:23 - Being born again, not of corruptible seed, but of incorruptible, by the word of God, which liveth and abideth for ever.
-Jesus became human to live among us (“the Word became flesh and dwelt among us”
,
He didn't "become" human, He was born, began as human and is still human, God raised him and fed him the Word = the word of God.
The “divine reason”
or“the mind of God”
, the plan become flesh and also this came into the flesh “divine reason”
or“the mind of God”
, the plan and of which Jesus took into the world.
The hidden mystery, logos, glory IN God was manifested, made clear and obvious, to some.
