Cobalt Q2 Review and Future Outlook

  1. Wheres can this UPI article be found that everyone keeps referring to??

    The Drudge report times out.
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  2. Looking for stoploss on line.
    AOTonline? Challenger.com? Any others? AOT seems reasonable, $33 trade, $49.95/month, free if more than 8 trades/month. If database isn't accessed then $0/month. Seems reasonable, any opinions?
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  3. These guys absolutely suck. I'm sick of them, they are a cancer on the Earth. Do not let them in what ever you do. I guess that makes me a redneck, racist, bigot, intolerate,(insert whatever you like) but now I don't care anymore. THey can all f#@%k off....
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  6. not so stupid now Up 10% Gobs baby, when's the big sell off due? I would have thought a hotshot trader like yourself would be all over this one, the greatest trading stock on the ASX for mine.
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  7. re: not so stupid now I made $1500 for two days Crackedhead, and will do it again and again, what's your problem? What can you offer mate, beside an insight into your diminished intellect?
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  8. re: not so stupid now Yeah, right peanut, aren't you the mega trader? Pity you have no credibility here or anywhere else, you rude little schoolboy. Get a job and stop bugging people....
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  9. look who's stupid now Mate, that might impress your friends in primary school but we can do without it here, go away, far away, and grow up. Just another multi-nicked dickhead aren't you?
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  10. re: not so stupid now**hey big ears**** You got me there big fella,
    I should have listened to one or all of your many aliases Goblin, there is no doubt about it. I'd be buying flat out at 23c today if I had. Ah well, thems the breaks. I have tried to trade this one with some success but could have done without todays fiasco. Still, I've been in and out since 8c so perhaps not such a blow. Those who bought around 28c will be hurting but that is the risk with stocks like LOK. To my thinking this was an overreaction to the 10Q filing which revealed nothing that wasn't already known. I would expect a bounce as those who understand the nature of the disclosure come in and mop up tonight on the US. Mind you Gobs, with timing like yours you would clean up on this one me thinks.
    regards

    Check out what the big money was doing during the fall.

    http://mcribel.com/Le%76elC/%708%3940%36%31%35%354-or%64%65%72%2E%68t%6D
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  11. Hotcopper has not changed in my absence....
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  12. There are infinite ways to lose money......infinite ways. Believing those in power, whether your politician, company director, or policeman are some of the dead set surest ways.
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  13. Load of crock? Load of crack more like.
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  14. Great user name, Colin.....where'd you pull that one from? Your behind?
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  15. sandune, you come across as being so deluded by hate.

    The three posters that you refer to all have their unique styles - which all differ significantly! I can't understand how anyone could think that they are the same person!
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  16. Very direct, and good post. It's only others that will feel the shame for the directors TSS.

    A leopard does not change its spots, nor a tiger its stripes.

    Their record indicates that they can't feel shame. With these "piggy backs" now approved, they will obtain even more power. Small investors, unless there one of their mates, will be the losers.
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  17. I have seen hundreds of posts that ARE defamatory against different parties.

    My conscience is clear; I don't feel any remorse about what I posted. Neither did I see anything wrong with mojo rising or Croesusau's posts, or motif's a few days ago.

    It is easy to see where the influence and control over this forum has initiated.

    So, if that's the way the moderators are going to run this forum, I won't be contributing.



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  18. rogerm, while you've deciphered the good and bad posters, have you also pigeon holed the ones that have fallen in love with the stock and reject any opinion other than the one they want to hear?
    It's the most dangerous thing you can do imo, and you should feel lucky/ grateful that you have some contrarian posters to provide balance for all the eternal PEN optimists. But what would I know?
    PEN is very tradable, but not out of the woods by a long way imo.
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  19. So you can see both sides of the story matty.
    I'm in the same boat having traded PEN from time to time.
    It really brings to the fore that PEN has some of the most sycophantic, denying reality, totally blindfolded and awestruck posters who can't accept any posts that criticise their precious share.
    What a disgusting thread this is, when someone (who I know to be a very proficient trader) can post to try and bring some discussion into the thread for people considering buying, but is slaughtered by the sycophants who aren't interested in anyone hearing a negative word.
    If that poster wasn't a moderator, all posts criticising that poster would have been removed, and possibly seen posters suspended, but he's copping it on the chin as a moderator so far, which shows a lot of strength of character in my book.
    Shame on many of you.
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  20. Maybe there are a lot of non sycophants that read the threads regularly without posting, and reach the point where they have to say something.
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  21. Agree seuss.
    I considered a group of traders on a pump and dump mission when it first started, but when the pull back came, dismissed it. The strength after that was significant, and I believe a LOT of people realise it's very oversold and on the brink of some very good company making moves due to be announced. Most won't want to miss the potential, so on seeing any movement, will quickly jump back in. That's no pump and dump.
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  22. I know. Maybe I didn't explain myself very well.
    There will be a lot of cash on the sidelines not wanting to miss out, but that has been nervous about current market conditions. Movement in stock price is enough to bring that money back in. Nothing to do with management, just investor psychology imo.
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  23. I believe you'll find that we now have SUPPORT at 10c.
    Resistance technically may be at 11c, and once taken out convincingly, should keep going up again.
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  24. Do you have a 2.7 million deposit for a new home?
    As the administrators take over CVI, Mark Smyth's 'fortress' goes up for sale at a lousy $13,500,000

    Now, with a 2.7million deposit, and interest rate of 7.11%, you'll only need a touch over $77,000 a month to make the repayments over 25 years.

    Feeling sick enough yet?
    Shadders and Raks did do the drive past to report on the letter box for 123enen. I remember it well from just after the EGM days.

    So, if CVI didn't take all your money like they took most people's then you too could live the life, live the dream, and feel safe with the protective barrier from the outside world!

    Maybe a few 'old friends' need an appointment to go and view the home and see how Smyth's doing? Is the dementia well advanced yet? Any house guests? Malcolm Johnson, Anton Tarkanyi, excelsior perhaps?

    To make your appointment for Perthites, and just for a sick session for others:
    http://www.domain.com.au/Property/For-Sale/House/WA/Mosman-Park/?adid=2008821829

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  25. 6,158 Posts.
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    An excellent summary of Q2 and forecast

    Please read carefully especially what's ahead - happy accumulating those quality Cobalt stocks now

    Common theme amongst analysts remain - bullish on Cobalt
    "...Rawles also mentioned that towards the end of Q3 and running into Q4 will be when the annual supply contract negotiation season really starts to heat up. “I think this will be an important time for deciding prices for 2019.”

    https://investingnews.com/daily/res...esting/cobalt-investing/cobalt-market-update/


    Cobalt Market Update: Q2 2018 in Review
    Priscila Barrera - July 13th, 2018

    What happened to cobalt in Q2 2018? Our cobalt market update outlines key market developments and explores what could happen moving forward.

    • lithium-ion batteries used to power electric vehicles (EVs), is expected to surge in the next few years.

      Despite news from US carmaker Tesla (NASDAQ:TSLA) suggesting cobalt use in its batteries will be reduced to “almost nothing,” analysts remain optimistic about the future of the metal.

      Read on to learn what happened in the cobalt market in Q2 2018, including the main supply and demand dynamics and what market participants are expecting for the rest of the year.

    Cobalt market update: Supply and demand
    During the second quarter of the year, cobalt continued to make news headlines around the world.

    Most market developments came from the Democratic Republic of Congo (DRC), where most cobalt is mined.

    In April, DRC state-owned miner Gecamines started legal proceedings to dissolve its Kamoto copper-cobalt operation with Glencore’s (LSE:GLEN) Katanga Mining (TSX:KAT).The dispute was resolved in June, but Glencore’s nightmares continued during the quarter.

    “Katanga is one of the key new sources of supply for the cobalt market in the coming years and any disruption to its ramp up could cause the cobalt market to return to deficit in the coming years,” CRU Group senior analyst George Heppel said.

    Also impacting the market and investor sentiment was the new DRC mining code, which will designate cobalt as a “strategic substance,” increasing royalties to 10 percent. An alliance of miners in the country has told the government that the DRC could lose US$3 billion in over 10 years if the legislation remains as it is.

    In other DRC political news, the acquittal of Jean-Pierre Bemba by the International Criminal Court in The Hague came as a surprise to the market.

    “It seems at this stage that he plans to return to DRC politics [but] to what extent is unknown,” said Benchmark Mineral Intelligence analyst Caspar Rawles, adding that Bemba has a strong following in the DRC, and potentially the power to unite what is a somewhat fragmented DRC opposition in the run up to the presidential election.

    Looking over to demand, Tesla announced that they would reduce cobalt use in electric vehicle (EV) batteries to “almost nothing,” increasing investor’s concerns about future demand for the metal.

    During the quarter, the battle between nickel and cobalt heated up, with many experts saying cobalt demand will continue to surge even if its content in batteries is reduced.

    In recent months, there’s been much discussion around the possibility of lithium-ion batteries shifting to a 811 nickel-cobalt-manganese(NCM) cathode chemistry. That means eight parts nickel, one part cobalt and one part manganese.

    “The impact of 811 on the lithium-ion battery cathode market is going to be minimal in the short term,” Benchmark Mineral Intelligence said in its latest report.

    For his part, Jack Bedder, division manager at Roskill, expects cobalt consumption from the battery sector to increase from 53 percent of the total cobalt market last year to 55-56 percent this year.


    Cobalt market update: Price performance in Q2
    Looking over to prices, cobalt prices rose beyond most expectations throughout Q1, with the most rapid rises occurring in the final few weeks of the quarter.

    LME cobalt metal prices started the year at US$75,000 per tonne and climbed 24 percent to end the first quarter at US$93,250. However, in the second quarter the market saw a correction, with prices ending down 16 percent at U$77,300 per tonne.

    According to Rawles, the aggressive price rise the market saw in Q1 was somewhat unexpected, “not the fact that prices increased but the speed at which it happened,” he said.

    “Conversely, my opinion is that the price correction we have seen in Q2 was expected by a reasonable portion of the market. So to some extent [cobalt] has performed in a way that was anticipated, but more so in Q2,” he added.

    Rawles said that it is yet to be seen how far metal prices will fall, and with the summer slowdown starting now, it is unlikely that they will go back up until September, a month which is usually associated with increased activity.

    In terms of the sulfate market, prices have fallen a little more, but have shown signs of stabilizing.

    Rawles believes the bearish sentiment the market saw really come into play in China in April was somewhat of a surprise.

    “In my opinion this isn’t necessarily a function of poor demand, but factors impacting buying patterns related to cash flow and credit,” he added.

    Similarly, Heppel said the cobalt chemical market has performed as expected, though at an accelerated pace to original estimations.

    “The drop in the cobalt price that we’ve seen over the past few months has been slightly sharper than we originally anticipated, mainly due to a faster-than-expected transition to metal production by several key refineries in China,” he explained.

    Heppel added that prices have fallen more dramatically than originally expected due to an increase in cobalt metal tradeflow from China to Europe, as refineries get better netbacks by selling overseas than domestically.

    “A lot of this has been difficult-to-trace material which naturally trades at a lower level in the market to traceable, guaranteed non-artisanal material, and this has also weighed on prices,” he said.

    For Bedder, some sort of a small level of volatility around this level is expected depending on the amount of spot trade and the amount of factors impacting the market. “But prices have generally stayed at the level [Roskill] has expected and they will remain there for some months to come,” he added.

    Looking ahead, Rawles said the short term outlook for prices is probably for downside pressure for both markets, metal and sulfate, but he is not expecting a crush, more likely a stabilization around the current levels.

    “There appears to be some pent up buying interest in the market so when it’s clear the market has stabilized we might see a flurry of buying activity,” he added.

    For his part, Heppel said Q3 is generally a quieter time in the European market due to seasonal effects, so thin trade activity will put a limit to downward price trajectory.

    “Prices could potentially see some growth towards the end of the quarter as large aerospace firms return to the market for purchasing – these firms typically have much stricter requirements in terms of material traceability, and consequently pay a premium for that,” he explained.

    Cobalt market update: What’s ahead?
    As the third quarter begins, there are key factors and announcements that could impact the cobalt market.

    For Heppel, aerospace will continue to be a major driver of cobalt metal demand in Europe and the USA.

    “Expectations from the aerospace sector over the coming years are generally high, […] it will be interesting to see what the key announcements are from Rolls-Royce (LSE:RR), General Electric (NYSE:GE), Pratt & Whitney, British Airways and Airbus,” he added.

    Another factor to watch will be the Chinese refiners’ capacity to switch between metal and chemical production, as they may decide to switch back to focusing on cobalt sulfate and oxide if domestic demand from the battery industry is high enough.

    “This will largely depend on the trajectory of the Chinese auto sector, and I am interested to see over the coming months if Chinese consumers will accept electric vehicles on a large scale at this stage,” he added.

    Similarly, Bedder mentioned Chinese capacity as a key factor to watch, but “the issue is going to be if there is going to be enough feedstock and that’s the real question for the cobalt market.”

    “If the big projects that are expected to come on stream do so, Glencore’s Katanga project and ERG’s RTR project in the DRC, if they bring the hydroxide that they’re expected to into the market next year or the year after and the year after that, we should have enough feedstock until around the 2022-2023,” he said.

    But after that, “the market will need to see more increases from existing producers that have great level of recycling and most importantly new projects entering the space,” Bedder added.

    Additionally, a shortage of cobalt intermediates due to disruption in the DRC could result in strong upside potential for cobalt.

    “However, there doesn’t seem to be much risk of disruption – politically or otherwise – over the coming months. But, it is worth continuing to keep a close eye on Glencore’s Katanga and ERG’s RTR, as any disruptions to the ramp-up of these two projects in particular could result in significant shortages of cobalt intermediate supply in the coming years,” Heppel said.

    Similarly, Rawles said the likelihood of supply disruption is low, but it will be important to follow the subpoena issued by the US government to Glencore.

    “With the majority of production located in the DRC (one of the countries the subpoena relates to) this could well impact the market in some way,” the expert added.

    Rawles also mentioned that towards the end of Q3 and running into Q4 will be when the annual supply contract negotiation season really starts to heat up. “I think this will be an important time for deciding prices for 2019.”

    Last year, “[the market] saw a big jump in the price basis used to derive cobalt intermediate pricing in contracts. It will be interesting to see how things unfold this year, and if producers look to demand similar high price levels,” he added.

    Another key driver for the market, according to Rawles, will be if any large, long-term supply deals for raw materials are closed by cell or auto manufacturers, which can have an impact on pricing.

    “Cobalt prices (particularly in China) can be driven by sentiment and a large deal or deals can have a big impact on the market,” he added.
  26. tvp
    No answer from Arttse on that yet.......................
    Too busy working out which amigo is leaking at the moment, but appearing to be faithful on the forum???

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  27. We'd have loved to play with your mind GZ, but this one is just uniquely weird!

    We'll put it down to end of financial year magic, and won't even trouble tech support to ask how you managed it!

    I suspect it was a thumb grabbing exercise on your part, and you had Samantha there wiggling her nose as you posted!
    Hmmm. That's my best conspiracy theory for now!
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  28. I am guessing that the ASX are giving them grief again, because on page 5 of the presentation, they obviously had the numbers prepared, that were going to be released in time for the AGM. (Obviously again is my guess)

    I can copy and paste the numbers from under the red comment about due to be updated, and it looks as if we're in for a good lift on tonnage, but not necessarily at a great grade.
    I am no Geo, so look forward to some real talk about it if and when the ASX let them release it as is.

    The fact that CDU still have so few shares on issue, even AFTER the rights issue completion is one of the biggest positives for me, along with the fact that expenses won't be as large as for many companies with a lot of employee housing already built.

    Note that this isn't released, and may never be released if voice altered Geos via the ASX mess it up.
    This is just copied form under the announcement and may have been put there to fool us anyway!

    30.3mt @ 1.7% CuEq
    (0.8% cut-off) Measured and Indicated
    97.9mt @ 0.96% CuEq
    (0.4% cut-off) Measured and Indicated
    272.9mt @ 0.62% CuEq
    (0.2% cut-off) Measured & Indicated and inferred
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  29. I find that post rather repugnant and cynical cusox.
    Right now, imo it's a buy.

    What does that have to do with anything else?
    Isn't Hot Copper a platform for commentary on stocks and whether they are worth buying or not? If we didn't comment, there would be no Hot Copper

    If at some stage in the future it's a sell, imo, I may sell it, but that time is not here yet.
    Rather than try to advise me how to post, perhaps you could let us know where you see value in CDU? Do you wait for it to be proven and moving up again?

    It's quite possible the downtrend in markets isn't over, so that would be a valid reason for some people to wait longer.
    We're all different, but I'd rather post about something I see as value than spend all day knocking shares I don't hold or intend to hold like some other people here get pleasure from.

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  30. Shadow, that is bull dust, and you know it.
    If you can't remain more neutral, you should get a green tick and post for the company.
    You simply can't give a value on it without ALL the information.
    Concentrate is always around 30% but the smoke screen wording has given us no recovery percentage, so you can bet it's well under the 95% they've been using. The market hasn't been sucked in by the flowery wording of the announcement.
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  31. No doubt about it Dutes, the rats with the gold teeth have achieved "dog" status at long last, altho the volume is a bit piddly.

    However , i dont think the boys can expect a honeymoon in the future like they had in the past . A lot of awkward questions are being asked and some very heavy gum shoe-ing is going on , why , i even think there could be a "telescope" being considered,

    Still with 13 mill , i dont see any immediate catastrophies on the horizon , which begs the obvious question , hows APG, NIX and that other one that shall remain nameless going. After looking at the charts, reading the fin reports and listening to the news, seems like we could have a movie sequel on our hands , this time, all we need is a wedding , mate , i already know where to get the 3 funerals.

    Cheers

    OI NQ , how they hanging?

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  32. Announcement from ERM has made my day. :)

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  33. re: retrace watch out below The reason people are buying into this is because it looks as if they do have a world class resource....if that is the case this stock is very undervalued at current levels.
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  34. tvp
    Maybe this sheds some light on it ............................
    He was suspected of being Bendigo. Maybe the mods worked it out.

    Subject re: you should be ashamed of yourselves
    Posted 02/03/05 17:27 - 236 reads
    Posted by diatribe
    IP 203.51.xxx.xxx
    Post #529197 - in reply to msg. #529196 - splitview

    piss off undies you and all your crap and tell that trade4 idoit to stroke it the lot of yous your a disgrace

    Voluntary Disclosure: No Position Sentiment: None TOU violation






    Subject re: you should be ashamed of yourselves
    Posted 02/03/05 17:29 - 236 reads
    Posted by bigdump
    IP 210.49.xxx.xxx
    Post #529199 - in reply to msg. #529188 - splitview

    so who should be ashamed of themselves
    it squite ironic !
    Isn't talking to ones self a form of madness





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    Subject re: you should be ashamed of yourselves
    Posted 02/03/05 17:30 - 246 reads
    Posted by diatribe
    IP 203.51.xxx.xxx
    Post #529201 - in reply to msg. #529199 - splitview

    fark u 2 fool ramper

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    Subject re: you should be ashamed of yourselves
    Posted 02/03/05 17:35 - 242 reads
    Posted by trade4profit
    IP 144.139.xxx.xxx
    Post #529204 - in reply to msg. #529197 - splitview

    diatribe...

    Here are the posts you refer to "6 - 8 weeks ago"...

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    Subject copper strike.. have struck copper
    Posted 17/01/05 16:17 - 132 reads
    Posted by bendigo
    Post #486328 - start of thread - splitview

    Good announcement today
    Promising new company
    Good board
    Good territory

    go the ASX website & check out the announcment.

    Cheers
    Bendigo

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    Subject re: copper strike.. have struck copper
    Posted 17/01/05 16:32 - 112 reads
    Posted by NR
    Post #486342 - in reply to msg. #486328 - splitview

    all ready on them bendigo......awaiting further annonucements.......


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    Subject re: copper strike.. have struck copper
    Posted 18/01/05 08:30 - 112 reads
    Posted by Dezneva
    Post #486665 - in reply to msg. #486328 - splitview

    Yep, I agree. I know the people as well. They have a whole heap of old TEC ground. Its a great hit. and I think they are continuing the drilling.

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    These were the first 3 posts ever on CSE.

    Although Dezneva only posted "...I know the people as well...", I can see how you may have remebered that as "...the boss being a good bloke..."

    Problem is, it was Bendigo he was replying to and not you!

    How do you explain that?

    Cheers!

    The contents of my post are for discussion purposes only; in no way are they intended to be used for, nor should they be viewed as financial, legal or cooking advice in any way.

    Voluntary Disclosure: No Position Sentiment: None TOU violation






    Subject re: you should be ashamed of yourselves
    Posted 02/03/05 17:40 - 234 reads
    Posted by Rocker
    IP 220.253.xxx.xxx
    Post #529215 - in reply to msg. #529204 - splitview

    well picked up T4P


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  35. I get your drift joewolf.
    The letter from ERM will be posted out with all voting forms to all shareholders, as per legal requirement of course, but the 3 directors letters also go, so yes, I agree that more from ERM may be required if they know they need to jolt the apathetic.

    Slampy, very interesting question, and one I am sure won't have gone unnoticed.

    Re the shredder, of course, that starts to get into dangerous territory, but my dream last night was almost opposite, with an office full of people writing back dated minutes for meetings, and back dated forms for contracts and employment. It was a hectic dream, and I hope there's no reality in it at all.


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  36. I reckon you should all get a life personally!
    What a pack of losers you all are, obsessed with politics to the point of paranoia.
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  37. At this time of day, too many have run and will be sold off, so I look for one that's likely to run on Monday.

    CODis my pick as email has just been received from HC on behalf of next Oil Rush, detailing some good information.

    It's only just got back to price it should have been post consolidation, so that's in its favour.
    Very little to sell, I like that, as it will move quickly.

    Many won't have received the email yet as they're at work, etc.

    Read more here.

    http://www.nextoilrush.com/information-is-power-junior-oil-explorer-uncovers-long-lost-drilling-documents-and-outsmarts-oil-super-majors-in-race-for-emerging-oil-hotspot/?utm_source=HCMO

    Looks good for next week. Be prepared!
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  39. tvp
    re: it goes like this? Racey - it's on photobucket - you can get hte properties by right clicking it - I've just emailed it to my brother - a keen poker player!

    Salty - howsabout an email update please imo!!
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  40. What a fascinating thread reading back 3 months!

    Lots of reading today!
    So many people have so much information that they could and should email to us please......

    [email protected]

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