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Originally posted by gumUnderfoot: ↑

1 John 4:2 - By this you know the Spirit of God: Every spirit that confesses that Jesus Christ has come in the flesh is of God,

What's being confessed out here -> words from the spirit, ones spirit express = deemed as one in the same.

It would seem that way but these verses suggest otherwise.

⁶Flesh gives birth to flesh, but the Spirit^[b]gives birth to spirit.⁷You should not be surprised at my saying, ‘You^[c]must be born again.

⁶³The Spirit gives life;the flesh counts for nothing.

It doesn't say every person that confesses, but every spirit.

²²Many will say to me on that day,‘Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name and in your name drive out demons and in your name perform many miracles?’²³Then I will tell them plainly, ‘I never knew you. Away from me, you evildoers!’

⁵Those who live according to the flesh have their minds set on what the flesh desires;but those who live in accordance with the Spirit have their minds set on what the Spirit desires.⁶The mind governed by the flesh is death,but the mind governed by the Spirit is lifeand peace.⁷The mind governed by the flesh is hostile to God;it does not submit to God’s law, nor can it do so.⁸Those who are in the realm of the fleshcannot please God.

Rubbish, unless you are trying to tell us, that Jesus has 2 Fathers, as the Holy Spirit Fathered him.

Nup, I'm allowing scripture to do the talking where it says the Spirit Himself.

¹⁶The Spirit himselftestifieswith our spiritthat we are God’s children.

²⁶In the same way, the Spirit helps us in our weakness.We do not knowwhat we ought to pray for, but theSpirithimselfintercedesfor usthrough wordless groans.²⁷And he who searchesour hearts knows the mindof the Spirit, because the Spirit intercedesfor God’s people in accordance with the will of God.

You can call it rubbish all you like but you are just exhibiting your rubbish delusion and unnacceptance of what is inspired scripture.
Also you have no clue what you are arguing against.

Depending on context, passages etc, the Spirit can be deemed as, he, him, this, that, it etc, etc.

The context here clearly says himself as himself.
Himself is a person. An individual.

¹⁶The Spirit himselftestifieswith our spiritthat we are God’s children.

²⁶In the same way, the Spirit helps us in our weakness.We do not knowwhat we ought to pray for, but theSpirithimselfintercedesfor usthrough wordless groans.²⁷And he who searchesour hearts knows the mindof the Spirit, because the Spirit intercedesfor God’s people in accordance with the will of God.

himself
/hɪmˈsɛlf/
pronoun

1.
used as the object of a verb or preposition to refer to a male person or animal previously mentioned as the subject of theclause.
"the steward introduced himself as Pete"

2.
he or him personally (used toemphasizea particular male person or animal mentioned).
"Ben told me himself"

This is your ridiculous claim.

16 The Spirit himself testifies with our spirit that we are ~~God’s~~ the Spirit's children.

See how absurd you twist things?
You have no idea what you are arguing against.

Although you do have a valid argument. You present it well enough. You just deny inspired scripture that validates trinity doctrine.
You would best accept it.
But I expect you will again rubbish it despite having no idea what you are arguing against to rubbish.

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^"Flesh gives birth to flesh, but the Spirit^[b] gives birth to spirit. "

6:63 - It is the spirit that quickeneth; the flesh (words) profiteth nothing: the words that I speak unto you, they are spirit, and they are life. (Fathers words)
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"16 The Spirit himself (Abba the Father) testifies with our spirit that we are God’s ~~the Spirit's~~ children."
God is Spirit

Rom 8:15,16 - For you did not receive the spirit of bondage again to fear, but you received the Spirit of adoption by whom we cry out, Abba! the Father! -> Himself the Spirit bears witness with the spirit of us that we are children of God.

Abba the Father himself the Spirit, who is God, the only true God and defined by Jesus when here in 17:3
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Depending on context, passages etc, the Spirit can be deemed as, he, him, this, that, it etc, etc.
autos: (1) self (emphatic) (2) he, she, it (used for the third pers. pron.) (3) the same
Original Word: αὐτός, αὐτή, αὐτό
Part of Speech: Personal Pronoun
Transliteration: autos
Phonetic Spelling: (ow-tos')
Definition: (1) self (emphatic) (2) he, she, it (used for the third person pronoun) (3) the same
Usage: he, she, it, they, them, same.
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"It doesn't say every person that confesses, but every spirit."

This is where and why many discussions with you, are a waste of time, you keep losing the plot.
DRRRRRRRRRRR it's CLEARLY referencing the person as the spirit, or more like the persons spirit expressed = IN WORDS.

Just like the God and Fathers words, are his Spirit expressed.
Hence Jesus having the God and Fathers words without measure, meant that when he expressed them out, he Became the express image of God's PERSON = WORD, The Word.
Jesus also shows in John 14:10, that by hearing the words from him = seeing the Father (spiritually).
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