thanks for the links
over the years, watso has not had much luck with video downloaders. he would only use them on the odd occasion, by which time he had reinstalled firefox etc - some worked, and some did not
ok - watso had a quick look at orbit - but could not work it out (the problem might be the stripped down version of windows that watso used.
a search for "video downloader firefox" gave the following link
http://www.brothersoft.com/download-sothink-web-video-downloader-for-firefox-59883.html
which gives a firefox addon, as well as a flv player - and it worked under wine (windows in linux)
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