This one and others!! Look here
http://www.hotcopper.com.au/post_single.asp?fid=1&tid=605967&msgno=2473582
and the message I was responding to:
http://www.hotcopper.com.au/post_single.asp?fid=1&tid=605967&msgno=2473576
couldnt happen to nicer bloke, page-52
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