Everyone has other conditions of some form.If they have kidney...

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    Everyone has other conditions of some form.

    If they have kidney disease, would have lived another 15 years on average and could have died of kidney failure, heart attack, cancer etc etc in 15 years time.

    If they get COVID and die of kidney failure, should COVID not be accounted for because their kidney failure killed them?

    Without COVID they should have lived for 15 years remember.

    The number of excess deaths indicate that COVID is creating huge excess mortality over what is expected.

    The semantics of whether because or with is just the tool of posters trying to confuse and befuddle people so they don't take it seriously.

    It is sort of like a Used Car salesman promising all sorts of warranties, misinformation about the condition of the motor or servicing record. Prattling on to confuse a naive purchaser. If they can make you look over here you may not notice the rust that could kill you.

    Some are trying to sell you on something. Why I am not sure, whether it is political or they just like to troll and post to get a reaction. Or to sell vitamins for a dodgy cure.

    Shonky applies to both.
 
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