Yet, you feel you have enough of an understanding to damn their...

Yet, you feel you have enough of an understanding to damn their souls to hell.

No. And that's not what I said.

I don't believe in Heaven and Hell Pledge except as metaphor. I am not God to have the power to damn to Hell.

I am saying I think its possible Marks and Verdun sold out on their principles or on what should have been the principles of regulators entrusted to uphold the best interests of the public and of patients. Fell short of their own once held values . I'm saying that's possible not that it is certain. I will be looking closely in future to understand the reasons and yes the motives behind their decision.

a self proclaimed position of ignorance.

I proclaimed no position of ignorance.

Taking several large steps backward.

Look pledge what I want from you eventually is to decide what sort of person you are going to be.

I have absolutely no problem (its even admirable somewhat and likeable) you defending the character of folk like Silviu, Eric, Nicole Verdun and Marks, that should be done - I used to like it when Truss would defend the character or put another slant on the the perspectives of CYP players (even though I found him too forgiving) BUT bottom line for me is I have no use for people who won't show up and take a moral side.

Will you ever go to a meeting - with you ever put your body at risk to speak your truth - or will you always duck and look for cover when there are things that other people need you to show up for to take a stand for?

If you are only ever going to talk from behind a computer screen with the safety BUT also the relative ineffectiveness and unsatisfactory of getting onto the field with real people for real causes - then perhaps its better we not invest further time in each other.

I wanted to speak to you today when I read you - that was personal - nothing gay in this at all - but I feel like I become somewhat the lonely loser your characterise me as when you talk but don't show up to take courageous decisions - and then I still spend time on you - like if you'd actually show up to an MSB meeting to put your questions to Silviu you be a more living thing.

I have some similar reservations about pfeifer - talk is easy, courting popularity is easy, sometimes one has to pick a moral side though - you and pfeifer are too remote libertarian not willing to get into the battlefield on the actual righteous side (sometimes the righteous side is extremely clear). When directors are making false markets and excluding you from their disclosures and treating you as second class its extremely clear they are wronging you.