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07/05/23

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Originally posted by wotsup: ↑

"If the Word was created, he would have had to create himself, which is absurd."

No more absurd in that you are in fact saying, Jesus had a hands on role of his own creation within Mary, now that is Real absurd
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Col 1:15 firstborn of creation = in the mind and plans of God, for a Jesus to be at Mary.
All you creations begin IN you, hence this is also backed by Rev 3:14, The Jesus to be was the beginning of the creation of God = the first thoughts, plans to come to mind.
And everything else, including us came into being, centered around and for this firstborn plan = person = man - 2nd Adam.
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"Plus,one does not need the word “the”in the sense of'the God,as you put it, how the bible puts it “Word was God'is saying the same thing, no issue"

Bull dust, "the" God is mentioned the first time, to stick it IN you face, so you know which God is being spoken of, the Subject, or one of the subjects and the Word is the other.
Again you lot have messed with the order of words in the end of 1:1 = Wrong to do so.
We'll go with some corruption to show a point.
In beginning was the Word and the Word was to (toward) the God and God was the Word.This; was in beginning with the God.All things through self came into being.................

"the God" being spoken of, is the ONLY God in the picture and that is 1 as in 1 apple SINGULAR. not 3 making 1.
1:1 is in 3 phases and what each phase finishes with (topic, subject) is the beginning of the next phase as can be seen.
Mess with word order, you mess with this.
Not to mention with most Bibles messing with the last phase, it is to take your eyes off the fact that the Word is the Singular "The God".
NO WAY is there 2 or 3 parties in 1:1, that is nothing but Satan language.

You simply CANNOT show that Jesus spoke creation into being, which John 1:3 DEMANDS you do so, if you claim Jesus is the Word.
If Jesus was the Word, then you have a serious problem that you need to show us, WHAT the HEC was the Father doing in all the OT times, if he is not the Word etc.
Sitting on his backside watching Days of our lives

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You simply CANNOT show that Jesus spoke creation into being,

Nobody is trying to. You still have no clue what you are arguing against to try invalidate.

which John 1:3 DEMANDS you do so, if you claim Jesus is the Word.

No, only you make such silly DEMANDS.
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