thanks for the link its a great place to start and its free, the diploma is vet fee but talked to them today and they want another $1100 for software called market analyst, I am only starting out on a modest income so many of my investments will be the $500 bundles as I save up for them, (not a greta deal of disposable income) think I may be better off paying for the motley fool report or similar and using the free resources provided by asx, at least that way I can invest.