@yasooooJesus wrote nothing in the Quran about himself so as you...

  1. RM
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    @yasooooJesus wrote nothing in the Quran about himself so as you say the Quran cannot be seen as reliable under your criteria

    Jesus came 600 years before Mohammad there was no eyewitnesses to the life of Jesus and Mohammed never met Jesus. Mohammad is dead in his grave yet Jesus resides with Allah in paradise. Compared to the New Testament 20 to 60 years after his death written by eyewitnesses or those who spoke directly to the eye witnesses we have the Quran which has over half a millennium of separation so the Quran holds no credibility compared to the New Testament.

    The Quran was written in Arabic a language Jesus did not speak so the words of Jesus in Arabic written in the Quran could not have been uttered in by Jesus in that language. Quran unreliable.

    We have thousands of greek manuscripts and papyri that we can cross reference in fact the first second and 3rd century Christians were so prolific in their quotations from the Bible we can reconstruct the bible from their writings.

    The Quran contains stories of Jesus from well known fake gnostic writings coming much later in the Aramic language not of the early Koine Greek hence the name Isa is derived from older fake texts.

    We do not have one Uthmanic Quran in existence today they were went sent to all the districts of the Islamic world which Islam has always been in control of yet not one Uthmanic Quran exists today. The oldest Quran we have are incomplete and contain many thousands of variations including different words not one of them replicates the Hufs Quran that was standardised just in the last 100 years. We have complete Bibles from the time of Mohammad the same bible texts that he held and confirmed their authority of in the Quran.

    The prophet Mohammad never commanded the Quran to be compiled yet sinful men did so is the Quran halal or haram when men do what the Prophet did not give permission to do its haram the Quran.

    Abu Bakr was the Caliph who directed the Muslims to compile the Quran and Uthmann was tasked with the role. There was many disagreements recorded in the Muslim community regarding the number of Sura in the Quran or the number of verses each chapter should have had. Neither Abu Bakr nor Uthmann was a rasool neither of them had light yet these sinners were the ones to compile the Quran without the command of Mohammad to do so the compiled Quran is the work of Haram.

    Allah is the great deceiver how can anyone trust Allah when that is how he described himself in the Quran.

    Sura 3:54
    And they (the unbelievers) planned to deceive, and Allah planned to deceive (the unbelievers), and Allah is the best of deceivers.

    Surah 10:21
    And when We make people taste of mercy after an affliction touches them, lo! they devise deception (makrun) against Our communication. Say: Allah is quicker to deceive (makran); surely Our apostles write down what you plan.

    In Sura 3:54 Allah refers to himself as "Khayrul-Makereen" which correctly translated means "Allah is the greatest of all deceivers." This is verified by looking up the root letters (Meem, Kaaf, and Rah) in an Arabic Dictionary such as Al-Mawrid:
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    Now if no one believes this translation that Allah like all other pagan gods is a false deceiver let us look at what Abu Bkr said about him he had a bit ot do with the Quran as we have learnt.

    Abu Bakr’s testimony to the deceptive character of Allah taken from the "Successors of the Messenger" by Khalid Muhammad Khalid, p. 70:

    "By Allah! I would not feel safe from the deception (same Arabic word) of Allah, even if I had one foot in paradise."

    @yasoooo
    the Quran cannot be trusted as Allah could just be deceiving all the Muslims even the ones who believe they already are such faithful slaves as to have one foot in paradise.

    Sura 7:99
    "Are they then secure from Allah's scheme (Makr)? None deemeth himself secure from Allah's scheme (Makr) save folk that perish."

    Why does Allah make promises and also desires to deceive why does Allah have the same desires of promises and deception as Satan.

    Sura 4:120
    Satan makes them promises, and creates in them false desires; but satan's promises are nothing but deception.


    The self professed deceitful Allah and the Quran cannot be trusted just like Satan.

    Last edited by RM: 20/12/23
 
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