certainly there has been a serious spate of violent murders....

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Originally posted by mogga: ↑

I remember when Howard brought in the big $$ bunuses in 2004 and we started seeing the people that were least prepared to have babies, having babies simply for $$ which if I remember was about $5000. Many of the these young mothers were still in their teens and could barely look after themselves, let alone another vulnerable human.

Anyway 15-20 later we have the bi product of these dysfunctional families with youth crime rampant in our community. If you analyse the family background of these kiddy krims I'm pretty sure you would find broken families with broken values and no respect for community, family or fellow man.

This is where most of the DV and crime starts and it perpetuates itself with every generation because it is becoming unpunished and rewarding. I'm not saying this is the cause for ALL DV and crime but I reckon it is becoming a growing share.

I think the ambulance at the bottom of the cliff is a good analogy but I think its the broken disfunctional families that are at the top of the cliff

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agree Moggs. the dysfunctional families though are rooted in drug (alcohol) abuse much more than merely being young parents.

but yet the dysfunctional behaviours do get perpetuated if theres no remedial intervention. the ambulance is far more expensive in every means of accounting the cost than the intervention that a single other, mate, casual or professional observer, can offer.

Originally posted by mogga: ↑

Accepting this social conduct is no deterrent because at the moment - using your logic - it is just getting worse.
The first sign of insanity is doing the same things over and over and expecting a different result.
So please stop with the crocodile tears when you are not willing to do anything that might change the outcome.

Put these delinquents out in a working station in the outback - teach them new skills and respect for the community and you might just get a different outcome.

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certainly there has been a serious spate of violent murders. we've been simply locking men up with no improvement, so your observation is entirely appropriate. the logic I've posted is the new way that politicians and others who are defensive have resisted. police, doctors, social workers, psychologists and womens' orgs have all been calling for this change in the paradigm for over 30 years to my knowledge and readings.

all these knowledgeable cohorts of experts (womens' orgs being the most knowledgable due to their life experience) are wanting to change the outcome. its those wedded to populism that maintain the simplistic punishment regime with no preventive efforts.

ask your knowledgable wife and daughter, who you've described as nurses. they will likely tell you the same..

I don't disagree with your suggestion though. a working remote farm would likely help some.
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