"and the only way the Libs could win those voters was to do...

"and the only way the Libs could win those voters was to do deals that removed the candidates for those parties.and still they didn't pick up all those party voters.... and this was with Dud staying away from Dunkley - so obvious was this that its clear the party recognises Dud has already passed his use-by date.". ...... exactly what I've been posting E..... I can't help but agree. obviously

but after all this you think Dud will become PM?

aaahhh to have such faith and loyalty to a dream..... not something I could manage. I envy you your faith. but is there any foundation for such loyalty?