No need to argue with those that cannot agree on the basic tenet that the stock ≠ the company and the company ≠ the stock (most of the time). Those focused on 'what makes a good stock' and 'does this one have it, warranting a trade?' are diametrically opposed to those looking at things from a fundamental angle (i.e. focus on the company, economic considerations, etc.). Arguing anything about the company or fundamentals makes almost no sense as on a most basic level the appropriate/comparative trade/investment time horizons will rarely perfectly line up (assuming that the investment time horizon is the least conflicting decision factor of opposing mental frameworks).
As for people being manipulated out of their money (i am simply paraphrasing some earlier comments), it takes two to tango. No one is putting a gun to anyone's head saying "sell me your f'ing shares or you'll get it', nor did anyone force people to buy shares at 17c or 21c earlier this year (when fundamental valuations were rather 'dear'). Let's be clear: individuals make those decisions all on their own...even if they may do so using others' actions/advice as reference. But in the end, it is their own decision and their choice. Free will, baby...its great for those who know how to take responsibility and advantage of it whilst others will always find something/someone to blame.
The great thing about the stock market is that it is an auction market with pricing determined by people bidding prices up/down and (most) people are ruled by emotions. That's great because it means the greed and fear phase we've seen so nicely played out in DW8 will repeat itself. It's just a matter of time and some will win, some will loose as that cycle repeats. Everyone makes their own choice where they end up.
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