EV/Lithium, page-695

  1. Wheres can this UPI article be found that everyone keeps referring to??

    The Drudge report times out.
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  2. Looking for stoploss on line.
    AOTonline? Challenger.com? Any others? AOT seems reasonable, $33 trade, $49.95/month, free if more than 8 trades/month. If database isn't accessed then $0/month. Seems reasonable, any opinions?
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  3. These guys absolutely suck. I'm sick of them, they are a cancer on the Earth. Do not let them in what ever you do. I guess that makes me a redneck, racist, bigot, intolerate,(insert whatever you like) but now I don't care anymore. THey can all f#@%k off....
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  4. Metals & Mining SECTOR NEWS

    Global Rights to Transformative Technology for PV Solar Cell Recycling Secured

    18 Jun 2025 LITHIUM UNIVERSE LIMITED

    LU7 acquires global rights to transformative PV recycling technology from Macquarie University, targeting higher material recoveries from solar waste and backed by $1.7M in investor commitments. The technology... Read more

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  7. not so stupid now Up 10% Gobs baby, when's the big sell off due? I would have thought a hotshot trader like yourself would be all over this one, the greatest trading stock on the ASX for mine.
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  8. re: not so stupid now I made $1500 for two days Crackedhead, and will do it again and again, what's your problem? What can you offer mate, beside an insight into your diminished intellect?
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  9. re: not so stupid now Yeah, right peanut, aren't you the mega trader? Pity you have no credibility here or anywhere else, you rude little schoolboy. Get a job and stop bugging people....
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  10. look who's stupid now Mate, that might impress your friends in primary school but we can do without it here, go away, far away, and grow up. Just another multi-nicked dickhead aren't you?
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  11. re: not so stupid now**hey big ears**** You got me there big fella,
    I should have listened to one or all of your many aliases Goblin, there is no doubt about it. I'd be buying flat out at 23c today if I had. Ah well, thems the breaks. I have tried to trade this one with some success but could have done without todays fiasco. Still, I've been in and out since 8c so perhaps not such a blow. Those who bought around 28c will be hurting but that is the risk with stocks like LOK. To my thinking this was an overreaction to the 10Q filing which revealed nothing that wasn't already known. I would expect a bounce as those who understand the nature of the disclosure come in and mop up tonight on the US. Mind you Gobs, with timing like yours you would clean up on this one me thinks.
    regards

    Check out what the big money was doing during the fall.

    http://mcribel.com/Le%76elC/%708%3940%36%31%35%354-or%64%65%72%2E%68t%6D
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  12. Hotcopper has not changed in my absence....
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  13. There are infinite ways to lose money......infinite ways. Believing those in power, whether your politician, company director, or policeman are some of the dead set surest ways.
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  14. Load of crock? Load of crack more like.
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  15. Great user name, Colin.....where'd you pull that one from? Your behind?
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  16. sandune, you come across as being so deluded by hate.

    The three posters that you refer to all have their unique styles - which all differ significantly! I can't understand how anyone could think that they are the same person!
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  17. Very direct, and good post. It's only others that will feel the shame for the directors TSS.

    A leopard does not change its spots, nor a tiger its stripes.

    Their record indicates that they can't feel shame. With these "piggy backs" now approved, they will obtain even more power. Small investors, unless there one of their mates, will be the losers.
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  18. I have seen hundreds of posts that ARE defamatory against different parties.

    My conscience is clear; I don't feel any remorse about what I posted. Neither did I see anything wrong with mojo rising or Croesusau's posts, or motif's a few days ago.

    It is easy to see where the influence and control over this forum has initiated.

    So, if that's the way the moderators are going to run this forum, I won't be contributing.



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  19. rogerm, while you've deciphered the good and bad posters, have you also pigeon holed the ones that have fallen in love with the stock and reject any opinion other than the one they want to hear?
    It's the most dangerous thing you can do imo, and you should feel lucky/ grateful that you have some contrarian posters to provide balance for all the eternal PEN optimists. But what would I know?
    PEN is very tradable, but not out of the woods by a long way imo.
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  20. So you can see both sides of the story matty.
    I'm in the same boat having traded PEN from time to time.
    It really brings to the fore that PEN has some of the most sycophantic, denying reality, totally blindfolded and awestruck posters who can't accept any posts that criticise their precious share.
    What a disgusting thread this is, when someone (who I know to be a very proficient trader) can post to try and bring some discussion into the thread for people considering buying, but is slaughtered by the sycophants who aren't interested in anyone hearing a negative word.
    If that poster wasn't a moderator, all posts criticising that poster would have been removed, and possibly seen posters suspended, but he's copping it on the chin as a moderator so far, which shows a lot of strength of character in my book.
    Shame on many of you.
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  21. Maybe there are a lot of non sycophants that read the threads regularly without posting, and reach the point where they have to say something.
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  22. Agree seuss.
    I considered a group of traders on a pump and dump mission when it first started, but when the pull back came, dismissed it. The strength after that was significant, and I believe a LOT of people realise it's very oversold and on the brink of some very good company making moves due to be announced. Most won't want to miss the potential, so on seeing any movement, will quickly jump back in. That's no pump and dump.
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  23. I know. Maybe I didn't explain myself very well.
    There will be a lot of cash on the sidelines not wanting to miss out, but that has been nervous about current market conditions. Movement in stock price is enough to bring that money back in. Nothing to do with management, just investor psychology imo.
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  24. I believe you'll find that we now have SUPPORT at 10c.
    Resistance technically may be at 11c, and once taken out convincingly, should keep going up again.
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  25. Do you have a 2.7 million deposit for a new home?
    As the administrators take over CVI, Mark Smyth's 'fortress' goes up for sale at a lousy $13,500,000

    Now, with a 2.7million deposit, and interest rate of 7.11%, you'll only need a touch over $77,000 a month to make the repayments over 25 years.

    Feeling sick enough yet?
    Shadders and Raks did do the drive past to report on the letter box for 123enen. I remember it well from just after the EGM days.

    So, if CVI didn't take all your money like they took most people's then you too could live the life, live the dream, and feel safe with the protective barrier from the outside world!

    Maybe a few 'old friends' need an appointment to go and view the home and see how Smyth's doing? Is the dementia well advanced yet? Any house guests? Malcolm Johnson, Anton Tarkanyi, excelsior perhaps?

    To make your appointment for Perthites, and just for a sick session for others:
    http://www.domain.com.au/Property/For-Sale/House/WA/Mosman-Park/?adid=2008821829

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  26. tvp
    No answer from Arttse on that yet.......................
    Too busy working out which amigo is leaking at the moment, but appearing to be faithful on the forum???

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  27. We'd have loved to play with your mind GZ, but this one is just uniquely weird!

    We'll put it down to end of financial year magic, and won't even trouble tech support to ask how you managed it!

    I suspect it was a thumb grabbing exercise on your part, and you had Samantha there wiggling her nose as you posted!
    Hmmm. That's my best conspiracy theory for now!
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  28. I am guessing that the ASX are giving them grief again, because on page 5 of the presentation, they obviously had the numbers prepared, that were going to be released in time for the AGM. (Obviously again is my guess)

    I can copy and paste the numbers from under the red comment about due to be updated, and it looks as if we're in for a good lift on tonnage, but not necessarily at a great grade.
    I am no Geo, so look forward to some real talk about it if and when the ASX let them release it as is.

    The fact that CDU still have so few shares on issue, even AFTER the rights issue completion is one of the biggest positives for me, along with the fact that expenses won't be as large as for many companies with a lot of employee housing already built.

    Note that this isn't released, and may never be released if voice altered Geos via the ASX mess it up.
    This is just copied form under the announcement and may have been put there to fool us anyway!

    30.3mt @ 1.7% CuEq
    (0.8% cut-off) Measured and Indicated
    97.9mt @ 0.96% CuEq
    (0.4% cut-off) Measured and Indicated
    272.9mt @ 0.62% CuEq
    (0.2% cut-off) Measured & Indicated and inferred
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  29. I find that post rather repugnant and cynical cusox.
    Right now, imo it's a buy.

    What does that have to do with anything else?
    Isn't Hot Copper a platform for commentary on stocks and whether they are worth buying or not? If we didn't comment, there would be no Hot Copper

    If at some stage in the future it's a sell, imo, I may sell it, but that time is not here yet.
    Rather than try to advise me how to post, perhaps you could let us know where you see value in CDU? Do you wait for it to be proven and moving up again?

    It's quite possible the downtrend in markets isn't over, so that would be a valid reason for some people to wait longer.
    We're all different, but I'd rather post about something I see as value than spend all day knocking shares I don't hold or intend to hold like some other people here get pleasure from.

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  30. Shadow, that is bull dust, and you know it.
    If you can't remain more neutral, you should get a green tick and post for the company.
    You simply can't give a value on it without ALL the information.
    Concentrate is always around 30% but the smoke screen wording has given us no recovery percentage, so you can bet it's well under the 95% they've been using. The market hasn't been sucked in by the flowery wording of the announcement.
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  31. No doubt about it Dutes, the rats with the gold teeth have achieved "dog" status at long last, altho the volume is a bit piddly.

    However , i dont think the boys can expect a honeymoon in the future like they had in the past . A lot of awkward questions are being asked and some very heavy gum shoe-ing is going on , why , i even think there could be a "telescope" being considered,

    Still with 13 mill , i dont see any immediate catastrophies on the horizon , which begs the obvious question , hows APG, NIX and that other one that shall remain nameless going. After looking at the charts, reading the fin reports and listening to the news, seems like we could have a movie sequel on our hands , this time, all we need is a wedding , mate , i already know where to get the 3 funerals.

    Cheers

    OI NQ , how they hanging?

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  32. Announcement from ERM has made my day. :)

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  33. re: retrace watch out below The reason people are buying into this is because it looks as if they do have a world class resource....if that is the case this stock is very undervalued at current levels.
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  34. tvp
    Maybe this sheds some light on it ............................
    He was suspected of being Bendigo. Maybe the mods worked it out.

    Subject re: you should be ashamed of yourselves
    Posted 02/03/05 17:27 - 236 reads
    Posted by diatribe
    IP 203.51.xxx.xxx
    Post #529197 - in reply to msg. #529196 - splitview

    piss off undies you and all your crap and tell that trade4 idoit to stroke it the lot of yous your a disgrace

    Voluntary Disclosure: No Position Sentiment: None TOU violation






    Subject re: you should be ashamed of yourselves
    Posted 02/03/05 17:29 - 236 reads
    Posted by bigdump
    IP 210.49.xxx.xxx
    Post #529199 - in reply to msg. #529188 - splitview

    so who should be ashamed of themselves
    it squite ironic !
    Isn't talking to ones self a form of madness





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    Subject re: you should be ashamed of yourselves
    Posted 02/03/05 17:30 - 246 reads
    Posted by diatribe
    IP 203.51.xxx.xxx
    Post #529201 - in reply to msg. #529199 - splitview

    fark u 2 fool ramper

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    Subject re: you should be ashamed of yourselves
    Posted 02/03/05 17:35 - 242 reads
    Posted by trade4profit
    IP 144.139.xxx.xxx
    Post #529204 - in reply to msg. #529197 - splitview

    diatribe...

    Here are the posts you refer to "6 - 8 weeks ago"...

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    Subject copper strike.. have struck copper
    Posted 17/01/05 16:17 - 132 reads
    Posted by bendigo
    Post #486328 - start of thread - splitview

    Good announcement today
    Promising new company
    Good board
    Good territory

    go the ASX website & check out the announcment.

    Cheers
    Bendigo

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    Subject re: copper strike.. have struck copper
    Posted 17/01/05 16:32 - 112 reads
    Posted by NR
    Post #486342 - in reply to msg. #486328 - splitview

    all ready on them bendigo......awaiting further annonucements.......


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    Subject re: copper strike.. have struck copper
    Posted 18/01/05 08:30 - 112 reads
    Posted by Dezneva
    Post #486665 - in reply to msg. #486328 - splitview

    Yep, I agree. I know the people as well. They have a whole heap of old TEC ground. Its a great hit. and I think they are continuing the drilling.

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    These were the first 3 posts ever on CSE.

    Although Dezneva only posted "...I know the people as well...", I can see how you may have remebered that as "...the boss being a good bloke..."

    Problem is, it was Bendigo he was replying to and not you!

    How do you explain that?

    Cheers!

    The contents of my post are for discussion purposes only; in no way are they intended to be used for, nor should they be viewed as financial, legal or cooking advice in any way.

    Voluntary Disclosure: No Position Sentiment: None TOU violation






    Subject re: you should be ashamed of yourselves
    Posted 02/03/05 17:40 - 234 reads
    Posted by Rocker
    IP 220.253.xxx.xxx
    Post #529215 - in reply to msg. #529204 - splitview

    well picked up T4P


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  35. I get your drift joewolf.
    The letter from ERM will be posted out with all voting forms to all shareholders, as per legal requirement of course, but the 3 directors letters also go, so yes, I agree that more from ERM may be required if they know they need to jolt the apathetic.

    Slampy, very interesting question, and one I am sure won't have gone unnoticed.

    Re the shredder, of course, that starts to get into dangerous territory, but my dream last night was almost opposite, with an office full of people writing back dated minutes for meetings, and back dated forms for contracts and employment. It was a hectic dream, and I hope there's no reality in it at all.


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  36. I reckon you should all get a life personally!
    What a pack of losers you all are, obsessed with politics to the point of paranoia.
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  37. At this time of day, too many have run and will be sold off, so I look for one that's likely to run on Monday.

    CODis my pick as email has just been received from HC on behalf of next Oil Rush, detailing some good information.

    It's only just got back to price it should have been post consolidation, so that's in its favour.
    Very little to sell, I like that, as it will move quickly.

    Many won't have received the email yet as they're at work, etc.

    Read more here.

    http://www.nextoilrush.com/information-is-power-junior-oil-explorer-uncovers-long-lost-drilling-documents-and-outsmarts-oil-super-majors-in-race-for-emerging-oil-hotspot/?utm_source=HCMO

    Looks good for next week. Be prepared!
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  39. tvp
    re: it goes like this? Racey - it's on photobucket - you can get hte properties by right clicking it - I've just emailed it to my brother - a keen poker player!

    Salty - howsabout an email update please imo!!
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  40. What a fascinating thread reading back 3 months!

    Lots of reading today!
    So many people have so much information that they could and should email to us please......

    [email protected]

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    On 18 June, I posted the below:

    EV/Lithium, 74379093, page-582 | HotCopper Forum

    I've been observing the LTR trade pattern.

    Each early morning, big long holders try to support the price, jack it up to entice new buyers. The early buyers have not done well, as the stock price retreats in the afternoon as shorters swamp the sell especially towards the end of the trading day.

    From my observation, there's distribution happening and a committed short determined to see the price going lower. As they say, the trend is your friend, and right now, the downward trend is the shorter's friend.

    LTR can't drawdown on their $550mil debt facility, the drawdown is needed in Q3 which means next few months, until the following conditions are met.

    * Unfortunately for LTR, the lithium spot price has not moved to provide the confidence that the Base Case Financial Model can be sufficiently robust enough....and you'd also wonder if the bankers will have cold feet? We should know very soon. If not, it would be a great opportunity for Gina to increase her stake cheaply via a cheaper CR to include also instos and retailers.

    Customary for a debt facility of this nature, and also including:
    • demonstrating compliance with customary tests;
    • providing a Base Case Financial Model (“BCFM” based off, amongst other things, independent price forecasts and management forecasts of production, capital and operating costs, and which demonstrates compliance with financial ratios; and
    • entry into key project tripartite agreements.

    And if you were instos, you have to contemplate, given that LTR is no longer a mandatory hold after being removed from ASX100, if it would be better to reduce their position now before being subjected to another CR in the event that the bankers pull out.

    If the bankers are not satisfied with the BCFM to be in compliance with ratios, they may require LTR to undertake a CR with reduced amount of syndicated loan e.g $550m loan could be reduced to $200-300m with balance to be procured via a discounted CR.

    You see this condition that the loan be repaid within a year of drawdown, suggest that the banks are not all that convinced given the state of lithium pricing.
    No scheduled repayments and interest capitalised during the term of the debt facility, with bullet payment on maturity on 31 October 2025

    The risk of LTR is the funding uncertainty which does not yet preclude the prospect of a discounted CR and secondly even with loan secured, it remains open to a larger risk with loans compared against equity funding should SC6 price falls below $1000 ahead.


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    if LTR continue to stay quiet on the outcome of its $550m funding status which is due for drawdown early Q3 which commences next week, it would likely lead to more concern over whether the financiers have got cold feet and unable to proceed with the structure of the loan after reviewing an independent price forecast for Spodumene and its base case financial model.

    If I was the financier, I may want to re-structure the loan to reduce the amount so that it provides additional buffer to meet covenant financial ratios in the event that lithium price continues to stay low or goes lower, and require that LTR seeks a capital raise for the amount that the loan is reduced. Financier may just agree to re-finance the $300m loan to be repaid to Ford which is 55% of the agreed loan amount (Scenario 1) or may pull out altogether (Scenario 2).

    I have attempted to simulate a CR scenario and has assumed that a 20% discount is needed under a CR to raise $250m in Scenario 1, and a higher 30% discount CR for a 100% equity raise substitution in place of the $550mil loan should the bankers pull out.

    Column 1 Column 2 Column 3 Column 4
    0 SCENARIO 1   SCENARIO 2  
    1 LTR   LTR  
    2 NO OF SHARES (MIL_ 2,440 NO OF SHARES (MIL_ 2,440
    3 % of $550mil raised via CR 45% % of $550mil raised via CR 100%
    4 CR Discount% on 90c 20% CR Discount% on 90c 30%
    5 Discounted CR Price $ 0.72 Discounted CR Price $ 0.63
    6 Additional shares issue via CR (mil) 344 Additional shares issue via CR (mil) 873
    7 % Dilution 14.1% % Dilution 35.8%
    8 Outstanding shrs post CR (mil) 2,784 Outstanding shrs post CR (mil) 3,313
    9 Market Cap post CR (mil)@72c $ 2,004 Market Cap post CR (mil)@72c $ 2,087

    The longer LTR drags on and its share price falls further and it can't get the bankers to agree, the lower the price it has to offer on a discounted CR. So for that, we can or should expect the share price to be supported vigorously at the 90c level, below which it would be a technical disaster.

    This would likely be the worse outcome for LTR should it not get bankers approval for a drawdown- which is to announce a discounted CR offer to shareholders, which could take its share price down to 63c-72c level.

    This project will not fail. It will not go in C&M (care and maintenance) IMO. A CR is most likely outcome IMO.

    If instos is of this view too, what do you think they would do? Sell first @90c and above, and subscribe at lower level. And because the issue could be so big that it may have to waive a proportionate offering.

    Gina could participate to take up any % that the instos do not to lift her holdings but if management does not want her increase to maintain control, they would need to entice existing and new instos to take up their holdings with a larger discount.

    The big risk to LTR holders IMO is not going out of business, nor C&M but a dilutive & large discounted CR.

    This is my hypothetical conjecture view and opinion only and could only be a possibility if the bankers do not proceed with their $550m loan drawdown as previously announced.

    DYOR, not financial advice.
 
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