Exorcism

Originally posted by wafflehead ↑

Well yes, it could be argued that all beliefs are an inherent flaw in the system. We are beings that need myth and metaphor. We prefer fantasy to fact. Most of the drivers of the psychology that powers each individual are based on some form of fantasy.

The reason Nigerian prince scams and love scams and stupid old men marrying young women scams happen, is because most people fantasise rather than looking life squarely in the face.

Makeup, lip enhancement, breast implants are all part of the rich fantasy of many lives.

The inner voice almost always tells a story that is contrary to the way we behave, because our behaviour is governed by the tolerance of the group and the mind is a puppy let off a chain.

The fact that there are poker machines, lotto, lottery, fundamental religions, porn sites, movies, novels, cartoons, Santa Claus, the tooth fairy, satan, ghosts, demons, lucky rabbits foot, lucky numbers, astrology, tarot cards, reading tea leaves, etc, etc, etc, suggests that we live primarily in a fantasy state.

A lot of people talk to their cats and dogs.

Certain religious groups allow the madness to run amuck because they have no external restraints.

That said, unless science can explain why a universe formed from impossible tolerances. How a near perfect centripetal spin was imparted on celestial bodies to counter gravity. How the natural laws are so fixed. How order can become a product of disorder. How life can emerge from non-life and how said life had the capacity to evolve and how sentience could ever be the end product, to date at least, overshooting the evolutionary need by improbable multiples?

Well, it's only natural that G.d would show up somewhere in human fantasy.

You do understand that neither science or religion have proved a thing regarding those pesky big questions? So them sheep are running all over, in the churches and Kingdom Halls and through all the hallowed halls of science.

That's why I go with uncertainty, it never lets me down.

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"That's why I go with uncertainty, it never lets me down. "
Are you sure of that ?

"That said, unless science can explain why a universe formed from impossible tolerances."

"Science" doesn't really explain that because it can't.
At present, the emphasis is on fussing about incomprehensible bits and pieces of the Universe and what appears to go on.
Chiefly by using various forms of "silly" higher mathematics to prove some new hypothesis to explain the latest equally piecemeal "observations".

It's like a bunch of investigators going through a house and creating theories about how the bricks, steel, concrete, plastic, ceramics, timber, lighting, heating etc were formed or happen to be in the place they are. Their "job" is not to see the wonder of the building itself or question how such a building could be designed and enacted.

Anti-Theists use this limitation to mistakenly suggest that science therefore supports their personal difficulty with the idea of something that is beyond their understanding and therefore higher than themselves.

They also use the clearly untrue claims of some Theists about the motives and actions of their version of the Theist Creator of the Universe to further support the myopic claim that the Universe cannot be an Intelligent "Organism" initiated by incredible Laws, governed by successive levels of laws and interactions according to law, beyond any Human understanding.
Or, that the source of this Intelligence is "Prime".
Where "Prime" came from is a question for the level of "primes" ... not minuscule Humans.

Of course what can be seen and understood by any reasonable Human able to contemplate and question his own place and consciousness/conscience, requires no reliance on either religion or science.
Nor does it required proof or justification to those who do not wish to explore a path beyond their own limitations.

Having said all that, your consistent and considered responses show that the challenge offered by Uncle whereu and Father DBT9 helps in pondering "I am ... here, .. now ... ? "

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