You guys are missing the point here. This is 21st Century Multi-culturalism at work at it's finest. Point some of the blame at the political proponents of multi-culturalism (Andrew give me the money or a head job Theopopolous, Simon "I know I've got a policy somewhere that will get people to vote for me" Crean, the fractured Democrats formerly led by gee I've got nice tits no substance and my name is Natasha, and don't forget the party led by that icon Bob Brown " I'm after the gay vote so I need to be a bleeding heart"). Even Phil Ruddock who has I think has at last seen the light (your forgiven Phil) was happily granting visas to his potential Lebanese constituents "vote for me and make a cash donation in a paper bag to my party and I will give your extended family visas" They still carry on about Multi Culturalism, this can be the morality of multiculturalism, the gangs of youths drawn together by their ethnic backgrounds is a nasty face of it that no-one wanted discussed. It costs votes so until 6 months ago we cannot mention individual racial backgrounds or they won't vote for us. Now we can talk about the Lebs because it will get our party votes won't it Bob Carr? My father was an immigrant from Europe, spoke no English when he arrived, yet was obliged to work for two years at a job where the Government of the time decreed to give something back to this country that gave him a chance to start over after WW2. He did it because he felt a moral obligation to this country for genorously taking him. Today these lazy, unskilled bludgers have no obligation to repay Australia for the start it offerred them, now with these bastards in jail my taxes are being spent on feeding, clothing and keeping them secure and safe in prison. Money that could be spent on education and the public health system. Line the bastards up against the wall and shoot them as a warning to others who may contemplate such a crime. As for their families, they have to take responsibility as well. As parents we are responsible for raising our children with certain moral values. It is pretty obvious the values that these young men have had installed in them.