@Scotty this winter was one of the coldest in my home time that I can remember, not to mention the wettest. I have heard many people say that about their towns as well. Let's see happens with ice this winter in the northern hemisphere as if in relative terms they experience the same drop in temps then oceans will freeze.
The real BOM is also predicting a brutal winter over there, as even the Nazis in the Ukraine are looking to exit the war by the end of November.
