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He is actually not talking about Himself but rather talking about the plan and purpose of God?"
It was pretty clear what I said and what the Bible clearly shows.
The Son quotes - my Father gives you the bread from heaven and encapsulated in that = the word of God, teachings as well as the Son.
He is talking about himself, the plan and purpose manifested, from the birth.
Pre the cross, you never see words from the Son = I go
BACK to the Father = you cannot tell me, that the likes of that, wouldn't have been said, if He literally come down in some form.
To Boot, use some logic and common sense = if He pre-existed, why would he not just simply show up from say, the wilderness as a man at say 30yrs old.
What would be the point of this nonsense, that near on everyone follows, him supposedly entering the womb of a woman etc
Please don't try and suggest, he needed to do so, so he could experience all things as a human, as he or they would have well and truly known all about that.
This Phil Ch 2 nonsense that people draw upon for a supposedly pre-existing one emptying himself = No hint of a pre-existing context is in that passage.
