If we all faced the truth, none of us in our own rights, as in not drawing upon others indoctrinations, said math's and science creations = we are in no way able to give a 100% conclusion. Hence why have never gone into depths, on the subject.
But a clear fact remains, both sides of the debate, have some serious points that need addressing, and never seem to be, or happen.
A good example on some smaller points, is as per some that TD has raised, and as of yet, NO credible counter, just banter and he said, she said = ZERO.
After seeing the numerous delusions and absurdities as to how many people interpret plain simple Bible passages, anything is possible on this earth matter.
People it would seem, have lost the plot, with regards to accepting, conditioning and planted seeds, the power of, and how it's near on impossible, to get past them, once they are planted.
