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Originally posted by ppm56: ↑

I am lucky enough to observe the community building activities of Baha'is in around a hundred neighbourhoods in WA, SA and NT. There are some neighbourhoods where the Church is connected to the wider community, but the majority of neighbourhoods, the church does not even know where the suffering is. Which households need our support? How are we reaching out to the people locally and responding to their spiritual, social and material sufferings? Is that loving thy neighbour? And by default, is that faith in Christ?

First of all, Kam, you are not alone in helping the community, its done by many far and wide including Atheist as we all have a conscience driving us to help

I have no issue with you and your community trying and doing good, but works by itself doesn’t mean by default that is Faith, Faith in Christ, you seem to have put the horse behind the cart, it is having faith in Christ is the foundation upon which good works are to be built. Not works as the foundation of faith

The CC has much more than just a few hundreds of neighbourhoods, it’s all over Australia and the world, made up of diverse groups of dioceses, religious institutes and societies of apostolic life as well as networks of lay organisations such as the St Vincent De Paul Society or the “Focolare” Movement providing education, health, welfare and other services, “Catholic Services” Stand in solidarity with and serve the poor, disadvantaged and marginalised; and work for a just, equitable and compassionate society.

https://focolare.org.au/

https://css.org.au/

The Baha'i community is not the enemy of the Church. It is its biggest ally.

Nobody said you are the enemy Kam, but when you start preaching a different gospel and another prophets, then alarm bells start ringing

In our neighbourhood, it is the Baha’is that have reached out to the Christians, and have held their hand and walked them to the households where they can express their faith in Christ and enable them to have an incredibly fulfilling relationship with their Lord, and witness His confirmations before their very eyes.

Good for you, but like I said anyone can do that, like Salvation Army and Vinnies

You seem to show Baha'u'llah as the enemy of Christ.

When one tries to imitate or impersonate Christ, and drives people to believe in him, then yes, he is an enemy of Christ

Throughout history, the CC had many saints that started movements, but they all directed their efforts to Christ and Christ alone, nothing towards themselves or taught a different gospel there is not a problem in that whatsoever

The reality says differently.

No, it is not, as you often have stated you follow Baha'u'llah principle

I want you to know that I am only a passing part of this community building process in our neighbourhood. So I am not bragging about anything regarding myself, but I am aware that the work is very much aligned with true religion and true Christianity as attested to by the Catholics in our neighbourhood themselves.

We are all passing (Passangers) in this life and community, so you’re not alone, when you keep going on about all the work that you do, then sorry Kam it does become bragging, I know many people who do good works, and they never keep going on with like saying I do this and I do that like you are doing

Like I said, doing good can be done by anyone, and it aligns with part of being human, I’ll run it by you again, it’s the faith in Jesus that is the bench mark of a true religion not works, you keep highlighting how little you know about Christianity, I’m not saying this to put you down or anything like that, I have to tell you the truth

And no one in our neighbourhood sees this process as the Baha'is being "busy bodies"

You keep going in this way like when someone seeks human approval and praise for their good actions they do

The process of salvation is for everybody, not just the select few and it is the Revelation of Baha'u'llah and the Holy Spirit that gives us the truth about how to bring salvation to every soul.

That’s the point I’ve been trying to make to you, that Christ has finished that work and we don’t need anybody else, it’s been done 2000 years ago, this it the part you don’t understand

Christ's work is not finished

That’s not true, the work of Christ in redeeming humanity is accomplished through His passion, death, and resurrection. What remains to be done is for individuals to accept Him in faith which is an ongoing process until His return, to receive His grace, be united with Christ as brothers and sisters, and become Sons and Daughters of God, sharing in His salvation."

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Hi ppm

I am not talking about helping the community like nearly all charities from the start of time. I'm talking about community transformation. A transformation that engages every single houses, like what we are starting to see in the Melbourne neighbourhood of Hampton Park, or in Mount Druitt in NSW.

What is happening in these neighbourhoods is not "helping the community". It's not observing poverty and then feeding the poor, or giving shelter to the homeless (as wonderful as these services are).

And it is not the horse before the cart. These transformations have faith in the work of the Holy Spirit first and foremost.

And as I've explained, even a brief glimpse at society today tells me that as wonderful as Focolare, Catholic Services and St Vincent de Paul are, they still, after 2000 years of Catholic Church existence not reached a point where every household is connected to and has access to the necessary knowledge, resources and sustained support to overcome everything and to wipe away every tear.

Do these Catholic services even have this vision as a possible goal that can be realised?

......if this is not the vision, then I would suggest that the work of Baha'u'llah is the continuation and fulfilment of Jesus's work.

You say "anyone can do that", but has anyone actually "done" that?
Again, is this even part of the mission statement of Vinnies or the Salvation Army?

Again, imitation, impersonation or whatever you want to say, these fruits are not the opposition to the Fathers Will.

Christians here try to distort these fruits as best they can and put focus on other things that are much less important than "by their fruits ye shall know them"

.....this is not just good works.
This is ALL people collectively seeing they have been made in the image of God, build their faith and respond towards wiping away every tear, and directing their efforts to the everlasting Father.

This is not a boasting service
It is a sharing forum where things are discussed. No one in the community is boasting.

Lastly, Jesus's work is finished but the Logos continues its work, but the Church is unable to respond to the Fathers Will today.

Kam