Your using a lot of what you think, and not what the Bible is actually saying.
The trouble also is, you read said Bible translations, those seeds you locked and loaded and now cannot see passed them, no matter what is pointed out to you.
I told you, that you NEED to LOOK to the Interlinear and actually define some words and things like "all" and "they" etc which I notice you use, and see that they do NOT exist in the scripture.
So, while you want to draw on these mistranslated scriptures, you have zero chance of truth.
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"I couldn't give a hoot, re the trinity aspect."
"That's hard to believe wotsup as your thing about the Lord vs Yehowah and why else would you insist on the 3 men being separate from Yehowah."
One needs to know the difference between Lord and Yehowah, there are or can be many Lords, but one Yehowah.
I insist on the 3 men being separate from Yehowah, for the very reasons I have CLEARLY shown and that being, by the scriptures they ARE separate.
"Re the legal standing = I totally refuse to take part in adding anything that is not CLEARLY there.
If you don't use that rule, where does it Stop? "
"It's not a matter of where does it stop but a matter of understanding what the author(s) are saying in the telling of this story.
It's not a legal document it's a story."
You failed to directly address my most important comment. (adding).
You cannot understand what the author's are saying, if you add what they are not saying, as you have been doing.
It, the Bible is not just s story, it is in fact a sort of legal document, according to Jesus, eternal life is in there, so we cannot tamper with the truth of any of it, hence, if you do, where does it STOP.
Look what the trinity clan have done to it, in numerous ways.
"No, the scripturas clearly support, 3 men (men) went to Sodom and we SEE no further mention of them and that is a fact, truth.
Absolutely ZERO to even think, that magically 3 men become 2 angels or 2 men become 2 angels, never mind saying such and NO scriptures to support this notion."
"The scriptures do not say 3 men went to Sodom and we DO see further mention of them when they arrive at Sodom.
These "men" routinely are described as both men who eat food and interact physically and also angels. That's how they are often depicted in such stories."
YOU, need to pay attention to your own claims, one of those being, Yehowah appears and then detail is given = re 3 men (rubbish), but never the less, that's your claim.
Stage now effectively set.
So, we have 3 men referenced (stage set), so from here on, unless it says otherwise, when the "men" are mentioned, logic and commonsense Demand that we are talking of the 3 men.
Hence the men (3) went to Sodom, and YOU have zero grounds to say no, 2 went = rubbish, the Bible says NO such thing or even implies such.
"Some scripture to ponder.
NIV translation."
You mean Satan's scripture = NOT a good Bible to draw upon mate.
3 He said, “If I have found favor in your eyes, my lord,[a] do not pass your servant by. 4 Let a little water be brought, and then you may all wash your feet and rest under this tree. 5 Let me get you something to eat, so you can be refreshed and then go on your way—now that you have come to your servant.”
“Very well,” they answered, “do as you say.”
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"Abraham offers food, rest and water for foot washing to all including Yehowah. Why would he do that if Yehowah was not in the form of a man ?"
Hey chum, STOP at end of verse 3............................He was speaking to Yehowah, Lord there.
At 4, he is now addressing the 3 men.
So where the hec have you gotten this creation from that, foot washing etc, has Yehowah in that event or he was even under the tree etc, come from?????????????
Talk about creations and adding, you are one of the last people, I would have expected this from???????????????????????
"These men of course are not ordinary men.
In your version they serve no purpose and needn't be in the story at all whereas clearly they are the angels which will be sent by Yehowah to warn Lot and destroy Sodom and the plains cities."
The more I see of your writings, the more I'm blown away, I would never have picked it?
The Clear truth IS, the Bible does NOT show the 3 men's purposes = WE have NO option but to leave it at THAT, end of story!
It simply could be, to show Abraham's hospitality to strangers, to show you the type of person he was and an example to follow.
"Clearly they are the angel's, re warning to Lot" you say = nothing but your total guessing and assumptions, with NO Bible backing whatsoever = none, neither by implication, so Stop ignoring these clear truths.
"6 When the men got up to leave, they looked down toward Sodom, and Abraham walked along with them to see them on their way. 17 Then the Lord said, “Shall I hide from Abraham what I am about to do? 18 Abraham will surely become a great and powerful nation, and all nations on earth will be blessed through him.[c] 19 For I have chosen him, so that he will direct his children and his household after him to keep the way of the Lord by doing what is right and just, so that the Lord will bring about for Abraham what he has promised him.”
20 Then the Lord said, “The outcry against Sodom and Gomorrah is so great and their sin so grievous 21 that I will go down and see if what they have done is as bad as the outcry that has reached me. If not, I will know.”
22 The men turned away and went toward Sodom, but Abraham remained standing before the Lord.[
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"Here Yehowah is discussing with the men about his plans for Sodom and G and whether to tell Abraham.
The men then set off for Sodom .. it does not say three men set off."
No, the stage has been set earlier in the scriptures, men is referring to the 3 men that were first mentioned, unless it says otherwise, which it does NOT.
Does not say 3 men, you say, likewise it does not say 2 men, so, the above stands.
You have ZERO grounds or Bible backing to suggest, these 3 somehow become 2 = None whatsoever and Stop ignoring this clear point.
"The following scripture without verse and ch numbers which are not part of the originals, clearly shows the two "men" arrive in Sodom that evening.
The story narrator doesn't say whether Lot recognises them as angels but the crowd definitely sees them as men and Lot doesn't point out they are actually angels."
Angels or men references = neither here nor there.
No verses even hint that, these 2 are anything to do with the 3 originally back with Abraham.
2 angels, 2 men arrive = end of that story of it's OWN.
THE BIBLE DOES NOT SAY, THESE 2 WERE OR ARE PART OF THE 3 = SIMPLE'S.
"Then he (Abraham) said, “May the Lord not be angry, but let me speak just once more. What if only ten can be found there?”
He answered, “For the sake of ten, I will not destroy it.”
When the Lord had finished speaking with Abraham, he left, and Abraham returned home.
The two angels arrived at Sodom in the evening, and Lot was sitting in the gateway of the city. When he saw them, he got up to meet them and bowed down with his face to the ground.
“My lords,” he said, “please turn aside to your servant’s house. You can wash your feet and spend the night and then go on your way early in the morning.”
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"So, the "men" don't set off for Sodom and then just disappear.
Why would the story specifically say they set off for Sodom after discussing it with Yehowah, if they then just disappear from the story ? That doesn't make sense in any way."
Too bad if it does not make sense to you, the CLEAR fact is, the Bible shows NO link between the 3 men and the 2 angels, latter referred to as 2 men.
You it would seem have IGNORED, that while the 3 men were sitting under the tree, Yehowah was speaking in the Tent = 3 + 1 = 4.
"I expect you will cling to your version because that's what wotsup does and because you don't understand the OT Bible consists of stories and cultural history with many things already understood by it's original readers.
Definitely not intended as a legal document to be dissected and poured over in a different language and belief system 3000 yrs later.
Doing that can lead to obsession and even madness."
It's not a matter of My version, but what the Bible says and what it Only allows us to say.
It would also appear, I have made more efforts than others in not keeping to my version or what I may think or want, by looking into the Interlinear, re word definitions etc and you will be rather surprised and some of the said dumbfounding translations we have in most Bibles, unsupported.
And to think, this has supposedly slipped by many said scholars = YA WHAT????????????????????????? (2 Thes 2)
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