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  1. Wheres can this UPI article be found that everyone keeps referring to??

    The Drudge report times out.
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  2. Looking for stoploss on line.
    AOTonline? Challenger.com? Any others? AOT seems reasonable, $33 trade, $49.95/month, free if more than 8 trades/month. If database isn't accessed then $0/month. Seems reasonable, any opinions?
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  3. These guys absolutely suck. I'm sick of them, they are a cancer on the Earth. Do not let them in what ever you do. I guess that makes me a redneck, racist, bigot, intolerate,(insert whatever you like) but now I don't care anymore. THey can all f#@%k off....
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  6. not so stupid now Up 10% Gobs baby, when's the big sell off due? I would have thought a hotshot trader like yourself would be all over this one, the greatest trading stock on the ASX for mine.
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  7. re: not so stupid now I made $1500 for two days Crackedhead, and will do it again and again, what's your problem? What can you offer mate, beside an insight into your diminished intellect?
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  8. re: not so stupid now Yeah, right peanut, aren't you the mega trader? Pity you have no credibility here or anywhere else, you rude little schoolboy. Get a job and stop bugging people....
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  9. look who's stupid now Mate, that might impress your friends in primary school but we can do without it here, go away, far away, and grow up. Just another multi-nicked dickhead aren't you?
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  10. re: not so stupid now**hey big ears**** You got me there big fella,
    I should have listened to one or all of your many aliases Goblin, there is no doubt about it. I'd be buying flat out at 23c today if I had. Ah well, thems the breaks. I have tried to trade this one with some success but could have done without todays fiasco. Still, I've been in and out since 8c so perhaps not such a blow. Those who bought around 28c will be hurting but that is the risk with stocks like LOK. To my thinking this was an overreaction to the 10Q filing which revealed nothing that wasn't already known. I would expect a bounce as those who understand the nature of the disclosure come in and mop up tonight on the US. Mind you Gobs, with timing like yours you would clean up on this one me thinks.
    regards

    Check out what the big money was doing during the fall.

    http://mcribel.com/Le%76elC/%708%3940%36%31%35%354-or%64%65%72%2E%68t%6D
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  11. Hotcopper has not changed in my absence....
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  12. There are infinite ways to lose money......infinite ways. Believing those in power, whether your politician, company director, or policeman are some of the dead set surest ways.
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  13. Load of crock? Load of crack more like.
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  14. Great user name, Colin.....where'd you pull that one from? Your behind?
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  15. sandune, you come across as being so deluded by hate.

    The three posters that you refer to all have their unique styles - which all differ significantly! I can't understand how anyone could think that they are the same person!
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  16. Very direct, and good post. It's only others that will feel the shame for the directors TSS.

    A leopard does not change its spots, nor a tiger its stripes.

    Their record indicates that they can't feel shame. With these "piggy backs" now approved, they will obtain even more power. Small investors, unless there one of their mates, will be the losers.
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  17. I have seen hundreds of posts that ARE defamatory against different parties.

    My conscience is clear; I don't feel any remorse about what I posted. Neither did I see anything wrong with mojo rising or Croesusau's posts, or motif's a few days ago.

    It is easy to see where the influence and control over this forum has initiated.

    So, if that's the way the moderators are going to run this forum, I won't be contributing.



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  18. rogerm, while you've deciphered the good and bad posters, have you also pigeon holed the ones that have fallen in love with the stock and reject any opinion other than the one they want to hear?
    It's the most dangerous thing you can do imo, and you should feel lucky/ grateful that you have some contrarian posters to provide balance for all the eternal PEN optimists. But what would I know?
    PEN is very tradable, but not out of the woods by a long way imo.
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  19. So you can see both sides of the story matty.
    I'm in the same boat having traded PEN from time to time.
    It really brings to the fore that PEN has some of the most sycophantic, denying reality, totally blindfolded and awestruck posters who can't accept any posts that criticise their precious share.
    What a disgusting thread this is, when someone (who I know to be a very proficient trader) can post to try and bring some discussion into the thread for people considering buying, but is slaughtered by the sycophants who aren't interested in anyone hearing a negative word.
    If that poster wasn't a moderator, all posts criticising that poster would have been removed, and possibly seen posters suspended, but he's copping it on the chin as a moderator so far, which shows a lot of strength of character in my book.
    Shame on many of you.
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  20. Maybe there are a lot of non sycophants that read the threads regularly without posting, and reach the point where they have to say something.
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  21. Agree seuss.
    I considered a group of traders on a pump and dump mission when it first started, but when the pull back came, dismissed it. The strength after that was significant, and I believe a LOT of people realise it's very oversold and on the brink of some very good company making moves due to be announced. Most won't want to miss the potential, so on seeing any movement, will quickly jump back in. That's no pump and dump.
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  22. I know. Maybe I didn't explain myself very well.
    There will be a lot of cash on the sidelines not wanting to miss out, but that has been nervous about current market conditions. Movement in stock price is enough to bring that money back in. Nothing to do with management, just investor psychology imo.
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  23. I believe you'll find that we now have SUPPORT at 10c.
    Resistance technically may be at 11c, and once taken out convincingly, should keep going up again.
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  24. Do you have a 2.7 million deposit for a new home?
    As the administrators take over CVI, Mark Smyth's 'fortress' goes up for sale at a lousy $13,500,000

    Now, with a 2.7million deposit, and interest rate of 7.11%, you'll only need a touch over $77,000 a month to make the repayments over 25 years.

    Feeling sick enough yet?
    Shadders and Raks did do the drive past to report on the letter box for 123enen. I remember it well from just after the EGM days.

    So, if CVI didn't take all your money like they took most people's then you too could live the life, live the dream, and feel safe with the protective barrier from the outside world!

    Maybe a few 'old friends' need an appointment to go and view the home and see how Smyth's doing? Is the dementia well advanced yet? Any house guests? Malcolm Johnson, Anton Tarkanyi, excelsior perhaps?

    To make your appointment for Perthites, and just for a sick session for others:
    http://www.domain.com.au/Property/For-Sale/House/WA/Mosman-Park/?adid=2008821829

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  25. tvp
    No answer from Arttse on that yet.......................
    Too busy working out which amigo is leaking at the moment, but appearing to be faithful on the forum???

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  26. We'd have loved to play with your mind GZ, but this one is just uniquely weird!

    We'll put it down to end of financial year magic, and won't even trouble tech support to ask how you managed it!

    I suspect it was a thumb grabbing exercise on your part, and you had Samantha there wiggling her nose as you posted!
    Hmmm. That's my best conspiracy theory for now!
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  27. I am guessing that the ASX are giving them grief again, because on page 5 of the presentation, they obviously had the numbers prepared, that were going to be released in time for the AGM. (Obviously again is my guess)

    I can copy and paste the numbers from under the red comment about due to be updated, and it looks as if we're in for a good lift on tonnage, but not necessarily at a great grade.
    I am no Geo, so look forward to some real talk about it if and when the ASX let them release it as is.

    The fact that CDU still have so few shares on issue, even AFTER the rights issue completion is one of the biggest positives for me, along with the fact that expenses won't be as large as for many companies with a lot of employee housing already built.

    Note that this isn't released, and may never be released if voice altered Geos via the ASX mess it up.
    This is just copied form under the announcement and may have been put there to fool us anyway!

    30.3mt @ 1.7% CuEq
    (0.8% cut-off) Measured and Indicated
    97.9mt @ 0.96% CuEq
    (0.4% cut-off) Measured and Indicated
    272.9mt @ 0.62% CuEq
    (0.2% cut-off) Measured & Indicated and inferred
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  28. I find that post rather repugnant and cynical cusox.
    Right now, imo it's a buy.

    What does that have to do with anything else?
    Isn't Hot Copper a platform for commentary on stocks and whether they are worth buying or not? If we didn't comment, there would be no Hot Copper

    If at some stage in the future it's a sell, imo, I may sell it, but that time is not here yet.
    Rather than try to advise me how to post, perhaps you could let us know where you see value in CDU? Do you wait for it to be proven and moving up again?

    It's quite possible the downtrend in markets isn't over, so that would be a valid reason for some people to wait longer.
    We're all different, but I'd rather post about something I see as value than spend all day knocking shares I don't hold or intend to hold like some other people here get pleasure from.

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  29. Shadow, that is bull dust, and you know it.
    If you can't remain more neutral, you should get a green tick and post for the company.
    You simply can't give a value on it without ALL the information.
    Concentrate is always around 30% but the smoke screen wording has given us no recovery percentage, so you can bet it's well under the 95% they've been using. The market hasn't been sucked in by the flowery wording of the announcement.
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  30. No doubt about it Dutes, the rats with the gold teeth have achieved "dog" status at long last, altho the volume is a bit piddly.

    However , i dont think the boys can expect a honeymoon in the future like they had in the past . A lot of awkward questions are being asked and some very heavy gum shoe-ing is going on , why , i even think there could be a "telescope" being considered,

    Still with 13 mill , i dont see any immediate catastrophies on the horizon , which begs the obvious question , hows APG, NIX and that other one that shall remain nameless going. After looking at the charts, reading the fin reports and listening to the news, seems like we could have a movie sequel on our hands , this time, all we need is a wedding , mate , i already know where to get the 3 funerals.

    Cheers

    OI NQ , how they hanging?

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  31. Announcement from ERM has made my day. :)

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  32. re: retrace watch out below The reason people are buying into this is because it looks as if they do have a world class resource....if that is the case this stock is very undervalued at current levels.
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  33. tvp
    Maybe this sheds some light on it ............................
    He was suspected of being Bendigo. Maybe the mods worked it out.

    Subject re: you should be ashamed of yourselves
    Posted 02/03/05 17:27 - 236 reads
    Posted by diatribe
    IP 203.51.xxx.xxx
    Post #529197 - in reply to msg. #529196 - splitview

    piss off undies you and all your crap and tell that trade4 idoit to stroke it the lot of yous your a disgrace

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    Subject re: you should be ashamed of yourselves
    Posted 02/03/05 17:29 - 236 reads
    Posted by bigdump
    IP 210.49.xxx.xxx
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    so who should be ashamed of themselves
    it squite ironic !
    Isn't talking to ones self a form of madness





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    Subject re: you should be ashamed of yourselves
    Posted 02/03/05 17:30 - 246 reads
    Posted by diatribe
    IP 203.51.xxx.xxx
    Post #529201 - in reply to msg. #529199 - splitview

    fark u 2 fool ramper

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    Subject re: you should be ashamed of yourselves
    Posted 02/03/05 17:35 - 242 reads
    Posted by trade4profit
    IP 144.139.xxx.xxx
    Post #529204 - in reply to msg. #529197 - splitview

    diatribe...

    Here are the posts you refer to "6 - 8 weeks ago"...

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    Subject copper strike.. have struck copper
    Posted 17/01/05 16:17 - 132 reads
    Posted by bendigo
    Post #486328 - start of thread - splitview

    Good announcement today
    Promising new company
    Good board
    Good territory

    go the ASX website & check out the announcment.

    Cheers
    Bendigo

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    Subject re: copper strike.. have struck copper
    Posted 17/01/05 16:32 - 112 reads
    Posted by NR
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    all ready on them bendigo......awaiting further annonucements.......


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    Subject re: copper strike.. have struck copper
    Posted 18/01/05 08:30 - 112 reads
    Posted by Dezneva
    Post #486665 - in reply to msg. #486328 - splitview

    Yep, I agree. I know the people as well. They have a whole heap of old TEC ground. Its a great hit. and I think they are continuing the drilling.

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    These were the first 3 posts ever on CSE.

    Although Dezneva only posted "...I know the people as well...", I can see how you may have remebered that as "...the boss being a good bloke..."

    Problem is, it was Bendigo he was replying to and not you!

    How do you explain that?

    Cheers!

    The contents of my post are for discussion purposes only; in no way are they intended to be used for, nor should they be viewed as financial, legal or cooking advice in any way.

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    Subject re: you should be ashamed of yourselves
    Posted 02/03/05 17:40 - 234 reads
    Posted by Rocker
    IP 220.253.xxx.xxx
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    well picked up T4P


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  34. I get your drift joewolf.
    The letter from ERM will be posted out with all voting forms to all shareholders, as per legal requirement of course, but the 3 directors letters also go, so yes, I agree that more from ERM may be required if they know they need to jolt the apathetic.

    Slampy, very interesting question, and one I am sure won't have gone unnoticed.

    Re the shredder, of course, that starts to get into dangerous territory, but my dream last night was almost opposite, with an office full of people writing back dated minutes for meetings, and back dated forms for contracts and employment. It was a hectic dream, and I hope there's no reality in it at all.


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  35. I reckon you should all get a life personally!
    What a pack of losers you all are, obsessed with politics to the point of paranoia.
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  36. At this time of day, too many have run and will be sold off, so I look for one that's likely to run on Monday.

    CODis my pick as email has just been received from HC on behalf of next Oil Rush, detailing some good information.

    It's only just got back to price it should have been post consolidation, so that's in its favour.
    Very little to sell, I like that, as it will move quickly.

    Many won't have received the email yet as they're at work, etc.

    Read more here.

    http://www.nextoilrush.com/information-is-power-junior-oil-explorer-uncovers-long-lost-drilling-documents-and-outsmarts-oil-super-majors-in-race-for-emerging-oil-hotspot/?utm_source=HCMO

    Looks good for next week. Be prepared!
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  38. tvp
    re: it goes like this? Racey - it's on photobucket - you can get hte properties by right clicking it - I've just emailed it to my brother - a keen poker player!

    Salty - howsabout an email update please imo!!
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    @Kurt12312
    Strange first post here, but I'll give you the benefit of the doubt and spend a bit of time replying.

    Cambodia has been one of the fastest growing economies in the world over the last 20 years.
    https://hotcopper.com.au/data/attachments/3696/3696601-a977e81cba3785ee0bfb81a08b4090c4.jpg
    https://hotcopper.com.au/data/attachments/3696/3696603-90e0fa18a41c8c4c307a3f1a1bc20ad3.jpg
    They went backwards in 2020 but are forecast to grow again for 2021 and 2022. The economy seems to be doing alright considering the lack of tourism and C19 lockdowns. But from a GDP per capita PPP perspective they are about 1/4 of the world average so are indeed a very poor country.

    Since in general they are a poor country, is it not an even bigger achievement for Fluence to have received 2 orders for 3 SUBRE plants worth approx US $14 million (AUD $18.87 million) combined? Wastewater is such a concern that of the US $140 million in concessions that China gave to Cambodia as part of the 2020/21 Free Trade Agreement, they used 10% on the first 2 wastewater plants and sewage network in Sihanoukville. They realize that without this they can not grow tourism in their coastal region that is vital to providing economic growth in the future for the whole country.

    With the successful build of the first 2 wastewater treatment plants, PS1 (5200 m3/d) and PS2 (7200 m3/d) in Sihanoukville, the Cambodian government has now mandated that all new buildings and housing developments have to incorporate sewage treatment in their Sihanoukville Vision 2038 Masterplan. They raised money from land sales for more coastal tourism development (Ream City) to one of the largest conglomerates in Cambodia - Prince Holding Group/Canopy Sands to build the US $20 million PS3 wastewater plant (20,000 m3/d) of which Fluence will receive US $8.5 million for their SUBRE modules.

    Cambodia is doing a smart thing here, they invited all the richest land and real estate developers in Cambodia to Sihanoukville to view both PS1 & PS2 and to the PS3 opening ceremony. Then they have now mandated that all these developers need to incorporate these same plants into all their future planning and designs. The old adage that the top 1% own more wealth than the bottom 90%. Well those top 1% in Cambodia that own all the major businesses now get to pay for all the new sewage treatment systems that have to go in across Cambodia. The government will sell them land and approve their projects happily, if they comply with the simple task of building sewage treatment. It is in the best interests of the land developers too. The more tourists that come and stay, the more money is spent at their businesses. If wealth grows within the population then the middle class can afford to spend more money on the houses in new developments.
    https://hotcopper.com.au/data/attachments/3696/3696638-fdd7ae36f12bfb72a3bdebfbd0140c77.jpg
    On the bottom left of this map I have marked the 3 locations of the sewage treatment plants that X-Water and Fluence are involved in.
    Can you see any further opportunities for expansion into the rest of Cambodia, if all the major land developers are on board with building sewage treatment into their developments? Fluence have just signed an exclusive distribution deal with X-Water, who are based in the capital Phnom Penh. X-Water seems to think there is more opportunity for growth too.
    https://hotcopper.com.au/data/attachments/3696/3696642-d95e1c35d6a8d2b4256237b63341bd4c.jpg
    Then if you look at the context of that within the Mekong Delta countries including China working together to protect the Mekong Delta watershed, can you see any further opportunity within the Mekong Delta and coastal regions?

    It may sound like fanciful thinking, until you consider that the Philippines is doing the same thing, and that the largest conglomerate + water company Alaya Land + Manila Water are the partners of Fluence.
    https://hotcopper.com.au/data/attachments/3696/3696647-f51d8f1f46434a76582cc1cc000d771e.jpg
    6 containerized MABR plants and 2 larger SUBRE plants, plus 2 Nirobox desal plants in the Philippines.
    The opportunity in the Philippines is also growing.

    Then if you consider that a fluke, then in Jamaica, the National Housing Trust, the government run national housing developer is also building Fluence SUBRE plants at all their new housing developments. There are currently 3 being built, with another plant completed at Port Royal for the cruise ship terminal and nearby township.
    https://hotcopper.com.au/data/attachments/3696/3696655-a45ecb892302ff5a7277164da440be26.jpg
    https://hotcopper.com.au/data/attachments/3696/3696658-c0fa528763bd7ff49fcccbd1f9b82b9c.jpg
    https://hotcopper.com.au/data/attachments/3696/3696660-88ab9059db884c40077270bf99f7aa4a.jpg
    So there is a bit of a theme with "poorer" countries that have not traditionally had any sewage treatment plants now mandating that housing developers and businesses need to stop polluting waterways and start building decentralized wastewater treatment plants. This is then user pays, if the housing developers want to build houses, they have to build sewage treatment as well. The residents who move in can pay for the upkeep of the plants. Because these are poorer nations, then the O&M burden of these wastewater plants needs to be as low as possible, so that the rates for the people living there are as low as possible. Which is why Fluence MABR keeps getting chosen in these locations, because it has one of the best combinations of low O&M, long life, and high quality effluent which can be safely discharged to the environment.

    Then, because this is the China thread, we have China. Fluence MABR was recognized with a nomination in the Global Water Intelligence's Global Water Award for Wastewater Project of the Year 2020 for the Hubei ITEST Decentralized Treatment project. There are partnerships with China Rail, 3 Gorges Group and now Beijing Enterprises Water Group. There are over 40 partnerships in China, many of them with giant state owned enterprises.

    Then in the USA, Fluence have sold 10 MABR plants, including to the US Department of Agriculture. These are small sales, but at least they have been growing.

    There is no doubt that most investors of Fluence (who are mostly based in the US and Australia) would love a higher proportion of the business to be based where we can see it, in the US and Australia. But China and SE Asia have current government mandates to install more sewage treatment plants, which means that investment funding is available and the doors are open for Fluence to have opportunities for partnerships and sales. Because these countries have not traditionally had a lot of decentralized sewage treatment systems, there is less competition, so Fluence can stand out more.

    In "richer" countries like the US and Australia, there are a lot of incumbent, well established sewage treatment companies. There is little incentive for the market to adopt new technologies quickly, so the market is slow to adapt. Because there is established infrastructure, the market in general favours large, centralized sewage treatment plants, much bigger than what Fluence is capable of building.

    This is also the issue in the middle east oil rich nations, with the added caveat that electricity is cheap in these nations due to the abundance of oil and gas for power generation. One of the biggest reasons for MABR being chosen over other types of treatment technologies is power savings. If Qatar is paying 1/8 of the cost of power that we do in Australia, then MABR power savings would not be a major consideration. These nations also have the money to invest in mega-projects, which are outside the scope of Fluence to be involved in.
    That being said, there was an MOU signed with UAE based Clear Water/Al Shirawi Group for exploration of opportunities in that region, so in future we may see something come from that.
    https://www.israelgulfreport.com/post/israel-s-fluence-foresees-wastewater-solutions-for-the-uae-and-region

    I highlight Cambodia because if Fluence can do well in Cambodia even with their low GDP, imagine the opportunities in countries with a higher GDP that can afford to spend more on infrastructure. Cambodia has shown that Fluence SUBRE can be built up to large sizes of 20,000 m3/d in strange locations over rivers or on the beach. If you can build SUBRE plants there then you can build them just about anywhere. SUBRE is also the Fluence product with the highest profit margins.

    This penny stock on the ASX with market cap of AUD $125 million is able to sign deals for:
    AUD $258 million - Ivory Coast drinking water plant. (excluding further O&M contract).
    AUD $60 million - iTEST Hubei China Highway MABR decentralized sewage treatment.
    AUD $41.5 million - Egypt desalination plants.
    AUD $18.87 million - Cambodian SUBRE plants.
    AUD $13.4 million - Brazilian steelworks desalination plant.
    AUD $11 million - Argentinian lithium mining water processing plants.
    Plus additional deals in Israel, Italy, Argentina, Ethiopia, Ecuador, Peru, the Philippines, the UAE, the USA, Taiwan, Vietnam, Jamaica, the Bahamas with China currently the largest market of opportunity.
  40. What a fascinating thread reading back 3 months!

    Lots of reading today!
    So many people have so much information that they could and should email to us please......

    [email protected]

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