Wheres can this UPI article be found that everyone keeps referring to??
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These guys absolutely suck. I'm sick of them, they are a cancer on the Earth. Do not let them in what ever you do. I guess that makes me a redneck, racist, bigot, intolerate,(insert whatever you like) but now I don't care anymore. THey can all f#@%k off....
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Sharenot so stupid now Up 10% Gobs baby, when's the big sell off due? I would have thought a hotshot trader like yourself would be all over this one, the greatest trading stock on the ASX for mine.
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Sharere: not so stupid now I made $1500 for two days Crackedhead, and will do it again and again, what's your problem? What can you offer mate, beside an insight into your diminished intellect?
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Sharere: not so stupid now Yeah, right peanut, aren't you the mega trader? Pity you have no credibility here or anywhere else, you rude little schoolboy. Get a job and stop bugging people....
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Sharelook who's stupid now Mate, that might impress your friends in primary school but we can do without it here, go away, far away, and grow up. Just another multi-nicked dickhead aren't you?
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Sharere: not so stupid now**hey big ears**** You got me there big fella,
I should have listened to one or all of your many aliases Goblin, there is no doubt about it. I'd be buying flat out at 23c today if I had. Ah well, thems the breaks. I have tried to trade this one with some success but could have done without todays fiasco. Still, I've been in and out since 8c so perhaps not such a blow. Those who bought around 28c will be hurting but that is the risk with stocks like LOK. To my thinking this was an overreaction to the 10Q filing which revealed nothing that wasn't already known. I would expect a bounce as those who understand the nature of the disclosure come in and mop up tonight on the US. Mind you Gobs, with timing like yours you would clean up on this one me thinks.
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Check out what the big money was doing during the fall.
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ShareThere are infinite ways to lose money......infinite ways. Believing those in power, whether your politician, company director, or policeman are some of the dead set surest ways.
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Sharesandune, you come across as being so deluded by hate.
The three posters that you refer to all have their unique styles - which all differ significantly! I can't understand how anyone could think that they are the same person!- *Removed* this post has been removed from public view
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By ROELAND VAN DEN BERGH - The Dominion Post
Wellington is shaping up as the front line in the battle to stop Air New Zealand and Australian rival Virgin Blue teaming up on the Tasman.
A powerful group of Wellington interests estimate that the alliance could cost the region's economy more than $100 million a year and at least 1600 jobs as a result of less competition and higher fares.
Air New Zealand and Virgin Blue have applied to authorities in both countries for permission to merge their trans-Tasman businesses, covering all services across the Tasman and any connecting domestic flights.
The aim is to establish a second Australasian airline network to combat the combined juggernaut of Qantas and its budget arm Jetstar, which Air New Zealand chief executive Rob Fyfe warns will soon dominate the market if left unchecked.
Air New Zealand's John Whittaker says that the alliance would improve profits by attracting more passengers through greater network connections and flight frequencies.
New Zealand tourism would benefit from having a second large airline bloc with access to the Australian domestic network to feed the Tasman route.
The deal follows two previous attempts by Air New Zealand to link arms with arch rival Qantas, which were rejected as too anti-competitive in 2006.
But this time around the airlines claim things will be different.
Mr Whittaker says while the deal with Qantas was about reducing seat numbers in a bid to make the loss-making route profitable, the new bid is all about growth.
The proposal will see the airlines collude on every aspect of their business, including pricing, services on the ground and in the air, and share the revenues.
A combined Air New Zealand and Virgin Blue, which operates as Pacific Blue on the Tasman and domestic New Zealand, will control just over half the total market. That compares to the three-quarter share that Air New Zealand and Qantas would have commanded.
Air New Zealand concedes that while the alliance would remove competition with Pacific Blue, it will be kept honest on price and service by other competitors.
Qantas has told the Australian Competition and Consumer Commission that it is not opposed to the union.
The alliance will "optimise" schedules by spreading competing flights that depart at similar times more evenly through the day, which will reduce duplication of infrastructure and save costs.
While there will be no reduction in overall capacity under the alliance, Air New Zealand has refused to give the Wellington group an assurance that seat numbers on the city's routes will not be affected.
But Mr Whittaker says: "This is a growth strategy for us, it is not a cut-your-way-to-savings. Our market share has fallen too far already."
The two airlines will retain their own brands but standardise services including fares, check-in, lounges, and will have comparable onboard in-flight entertainment.
Top-end fares are expected to become cheaper, reducing the average fare price. But the lowest fares are considered too cheap already, though there might be more of them.
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Air New Zealand will gain access to Virgin's extensive Australian domestic network to feed its Tasman services.
The lack of access to the Australian domestic network has prevented Air New Zealand from taking advantage in the strong growth being fuelled by Australian travellers who are increasingly keen on crossing the ditch for short get-aways.
The airline's figures show the Tasman market as a whole grew about 50 per cent to 3.4 million in the five years to 2005.
Much of that growth has come from new carriers like Jetstar and that trend is not going to change, Mr Whittaker says.
"The Australian market is going to grow faster. They have got a bigger population and we are an attractive tourism destination."
FOR its part, Virgin Blue will be able to tap into Air New Zealand lucrative business travel market, which Pacific Blue has not been able to attract because of its limited schedule and in-flight services.
Each brand will continue to focus on the markets in which they have an advantage, suggesting Air New Zealand will take the peak business travel times out of the main centres and leave the leisure travellers to Pacific Blue centred on its Brisbane hub and regional New Zealand.
But Wellington business, tourism operators, local authorities and the city's airport are unconvinced and have banded together to fight the proposal.
They say the region could be hard hit if the alliance fails to deliver on its promises.
Analysis from BERL Economics commissioned by the group shows the alliance could cost 1650 jobs and reduce the region's economy by up to $107 million and output by $229m a year by 2015.
In the last 10 years Wellington's trans-Tasman services had grown by 44 per cent. That "stemmed almost exclusively" from the arrival of Pacific Blue as a challenger to the previous Air New Zealand/Qantas duopoly, the group says in a joint submission to the Transport Ministry opposing the deal.
Competition from Pacific Blue has resulted in more capacity and lower average fares. Those benefits are under threat if the alliance is given the green light and market reverts to a duopoly, the group says.
Higher fares risked scaring off price-sensitive Australian tourists, who make up three-quarters of the market.
That could cost Wellington more than 170,000 visitors a year by 2015, according to route development experts ASM.
Each tourist visitor to Wellington contributes about $2300 to the local economy.
Businesses and organisations, including the government, also rely on convenient and affordable international travel to attract new business and grow the region's economy.
Other opponents are also urging authorities to assess the impact of the alliance on a route by route basis, not the whole market approach favoured by the airlines.
Auckland International Airport says the alliance could have "a real anti-competitive effect on a wide range of routes".
It could even lead to Pacific Blue pulling out of the New Zealand domestic market "which would have a strongly adverse effect on competition on those routes and consequently on New Zealand consumers".
Only one route, Auckland to Sydney, has all seven airline brands competing directly.
On many others the alliance will either become part of a duopoly with the Qantas group or a monopoly.
Regional airports from Dunedin to Cairns say the alliance will end hard-fought-for competition to their ports.
Brisbane's Gold Coast Airport is the exception, saying the agreement could increase services to Australian airports.
But Auckland Airport says "recent experience suggests that, when individual routes become dominated in this way, competitive pressure reduces or even disappears, fares rise and passenger volumes fall significantly. In other words, authorising the alliance could do real damage to New Zealand consumers."
Unlike Auckland and Christchurch, which have the benefit of being served by other foreign airlines like Emirates who tack a Tasman crossing onto their long-haul flights to Australia, Wellington has a maximum of only three competitors on its routes: Air New Zealand, Pacific Blue and Qantas.
The alliance would reduce the Sydney route to a duopoly with Qantas, and wipe out competition on the Brisbane service.
FARES on direct flights to Australia from the capital are already substantially higher than those flying from Auckland and Christchurch, "which undoubtedly reflects the greater competition present in those two cities", the Wellington group says.
Much of the group's concern is due to the lack of detail provided by the airlines on how the alliance will operate, including they plan to "optimise" their schedules.
"Without any agreement on the flights and schedules they propose to operate across the Tasman, the public benefits claimed by the [airlines] strike us as wholly speculative."
Mr Whittaker says that a detailed alliance schedule will be prepared once Virgin Blue announces the outcome of its network review, due any time.
Wellington's fears that there will be fewer passengers, less competition and a resulting loss of economic benefits to the region are unfounded, he says.
"That is not going to happen because we are moving to a model that is going to drive growth and we are providing the seats that will meet the demand for the growth.
"Air New Zealand's seat numbers out of Wellington are going to increase over the next year."
Mr Whittaker says that Wellington Airport's claim that the more airlines that operate on a route the greater the growth does not hold up.
Auckland to Sydney had the greatest number of airlines competing, but growth on that service was lower than services to Melbourne and Queensland served by fewer airlines.
What makes a difference is an attractive destination combined with a low-fare airline model flying full planes.
"Those are the things that correlate strongly with growth in market places, not just the number of airlines flying it," Mr Whittaker says.
"We are going to see fares tumble in these markets over the next year because we are putting in that business model."
Air NZ, Virgin Blue seek merger clearance
Air New Zealand and Virgin Blue have applied to authorities in Canberra and Wellington for permission to merge their trans-Tasman businesses, including all services across the Tasman and any connecting domestic flights.
In New Zealand the approval must be sought from Transport Minister Steven Joyce on the advice of the Transport Ministry. However, opponents of the merger argue that the law limits the minister's powers to approving only those parts of the agreement that relate to fares and capacity on international flights, and not a broad alliance between two airlines.
They want Mr Joyce to decline jurisdiction, allowing the airlines to apply to the Commerce Commission to assess the public benefit of the alliance.
In Australia the decision falls to competition watchdog the Australian Competition and Consumer Commission.
A final decision is expected from both authorities by the end of the year.
How They Line Up
Objectors: Wellington business, tourism operators, local authorities and airport. Auckland, Hamilton and Dunedin airports. Tiger Airways.
Supporters: Qantas Travel Agents Association. Gold Coast Airport.
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ShareVery direct, and good post. It's only others that will feel the shame for the directors TSS.
A leopard does not change its spots, nor a tiger its stripes.
Their record indicates that they can't feel shame. With these "piggy backs" now approved, they will obtain even more power. Small investors, unless there one of their mates, will be the losers.- *Removed* this post has been removed from public view
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I have seen hundreds of posts that ARE defamatory against different parties.
My conscience is clear; I don't feel any remorse about what I posted. Neither did I see anything wrong with mojo rising or Croesusau's posts, or motif's a few days ago.
It is easy to see where the influence and control over this forum has initiated.
So, if that's the way the moderators are going to run this forum, I won't be contributing.
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Sharerogerm, while you've deciphered the good and bad posters, have you also pigeon holed the ones that have fallen in love with the stock and reject any opinion other than the one they want to hear?
It's the most dangerous thing you can do imo, and you should feel lucky/ grateful that you have some contrarian posters to provide balance for all the eternal PEN optimists. But what would I know?
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ShareSo you can see both sides of the story matty.
I'm in the same boat having traded PEN from time to time.
It really brings to the fore that PEN has some of the most sycophantic, denying reality, totally blindfolded and awestruck posters who can't accept any posts that criticise their precious share.
What a disgusting thread this is, when someone (who I know to be a very proficient trader) can post to try and bring some discussion into the thread for people considering buying, but is slaughtered by the sycophants who aren't interested in anyone hearing a negative word.
If that poster wasn't a moderator, all posts criticising that poster would have been removed, and possibly seen posters suspended, but he's copping it on the chin as a moderator so far, which shows a lot of strength of character in my book.
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ShareAgree seuss.
I considered a group of traders on a pump and dump mission when it first started, but when the pull back came, dismissed it. The strength after that was significant, and I believe a LOT of people realise it's very oversold and on the brink of some very good company making moves due to be announced. Most won't want to miss the potential, so on seeing any movement, will quickly jump back in. That's no pump and dump.- *Removed* this post has been removed from public view
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ShareI know. Maybe I didn't explain myself very well.
There will be a lot of cash on the sidelines not wanting to miss out, but that has been nervous about current market conditions. Movement in stock price is enough to bring that money back in. Nothing to do with management, just investor psychology imo.
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Do you have a 2.7 million deposit for a new home?
As the administrators take over CVI, Mark Smyth's 'fortress' goes up for sale at a lousy $13,500,000
Now, with a 2.7million deposit, and interest rate of 7.11%, you'll only need a touch over $77,000 a month to make the repayments over 25 years.
Feeling sick enough yet?
Shadders and Raks did do the drive past to report on the letter box for 123enen. I remember it well from just after the EGM days.
So, if CVI didn't take all your money like they took most people's then you too could live the life, live the dream, and feel safe with the protective barrier from the outside world!
Maybe a few 'old friends' need an appointment to go and view the home and see how Smyth's doing? Is the dementia well advanced yet? Any house guests? Malcolm Johnson, Anton Tarkanyi, excelsior perhaps?
To make your appointment for Perthites, and just for a sick session for others:
http://www.domain.com.au/Property/For-Sale/House/WA/Mosman-Park/?adid=2008821829
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ShareWe'd have loved to play with your mind GZ, but this one is just uniquely weird!
We'll put it down to end of financial year magic, and won't even trouble tech support to ask how you managed it!
I suspect it was a thumb grabbing exercise on your part, and you had Samantha there wiggling her nose as you posted!
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ShareI am guessing that the ASX are giving them grief again, because on page 5 of the presentation, they obviously had the numbers prepared, that were going to be released in time for the AGM. (Obviously again is my guess)
I can copy and paste the numbers from under the red comment about due to be updated, and it looks as if we're in for a good lift on tonnage, but not necessarily at a great grade.
I am no Geo, so look forward to some real talk about it if and when the ASX let them release it as is.
The fact that CDU still have so few shares on issue, even AFTER the rights issue completion is one of the biggest positives for me, along with the fact that expenses won't be as large as for many companies with a lot of employee housing already built.
Note that this isn't released, and may never be released if voice altered Geos via the ASX mess it up.
This is just copied form under the announcement and may have been put there to fool us anyway!
30.3mt @ 1.7% CuEq
(0.8% cut-off) Measured and Indicated
97.9mt @ 0.96% CuEq
(0.4% cut-off) Measured and Indicated
272.9mt @ 0.62% CuEq
(0.2% cut-off) Measured & Indicated and inferred
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ShareI find that post rather repugnant and cynical cusox.
Right now, imo it's a buy.
What does that have to do with anything else?
Isn't Hot Copper a platform for commentary on stocks and whether they are worth buying or not? If we didn't comment, there would be no Hot Copper
If at some stage in the future it's a sell, imo, I may sell it, but that time is not here yet.
Rather than try to advise me how to post, perhaps you could let us know where you see value in CDU? Do you wait for it to be proven and moving up again?
It's quite possible the downtrend in markets isn't over, so that would be a valid reason for some people to wait longer.
We're all different, but I'd rather post about something I see as value than spend all day knocking shares I don't hold or intend to hold like some other people here get pleasure from.
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ShareShadow, that is bull dust, and you know it.
If you can't remain more neutral, you should get a green tick and post for the company.
You simply can't give a value on it without ALL the information.
Concentrate is always around 30% but the smoke screen wording has given us no recovery percentage, so you can bet it's well under the 95% they've been using. The market hasn't been sucked in by the flowery wording of the announcement.- *Removed* this post has been removed from public view
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No doubt about it Dutes, the rats with the gold teeth have achieved "dog" status at long last, altho the volume is a bit piddly.
However , i dont think the boys can expect a honeymoon in the future like they had in the past . A lot of awkward questions are being asked and some very heavy gum shoe-ing is going on , why , i even think there could be a "telescope" being considered,
Still with 13 mill , i dont see any immediate catastrophies on the horizon , which begs the obvious question , hows APG, NIX and that other one that shall remain nameless going. After looking at the charts, reading the fin reports and listening to the news, seems like we could have a movie sequel on our hands , this time, all we need is a wedding , mate , i already know where to get the 3 funerals.
Cheers
OI NQ , how they hanging?
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Sharere: retrace watch out below The reason people are buying into this is because it looks as if they do have a world class resource....if that is the case this stock is very undervalued at current levels.
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ShareMaybe this sheds some light on it ............................
He was suspected of being Bendigo. Maybe the mods worked it out.
Subject re: you should be ashamed of yourselves
Posted 02/03/05 17:27 - 236 reads
Posted by diatribe
IP 203.51.xxx.xxx
Post #529197 - in reply to msg. #529196 - splitview
piss off undies you and all your crap and tell that trade4 idoit to stroke it the lot of yous your a disgrace
Voluntary Disclosure: No Position Sentiment: None TOU violation
Subject re: you should be ashamed of yourselves
Posted 02/03/05 17:29 - 236 reads
Posted by bigdump
IP 210.49.xxx.xxx
Post #529199 - in reply to msg. #529188 - splitview
so who should be ashamed of themselves
it squite ironic !
Isn't talking to ones self a form of madness
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Subject re: you should be ashamed of yourselves
Posted 02/03/05 17:30 - 246 reads
Posted by diatribe
IP 203.51.xxx.xxx
Post #529201 - in reply to msg. #529199 - splitview
fark u 2 fool ramper
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Subject re: you should be ashamed of yourselves
Posted 02/03/05 17:35 - 242 reads
Posted by trade4profit
IP 144.139.xxx.xxx
Post #529204 - in reply to msg. #529197 - splitview
diatribe...
Here are the posts you refer to "6 - 8 weeks ago"...
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Subject copper strike.. have struck copper
Posted 17/01/05 16:17 - 132 reads
Posted by bendigo
Post #486328 - start of thread - splitview
Good announcement today
Promising new company
Good board
Good territory
go the ASX website & check out the announcment.
Cheers
Bendigo
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Subject re: copper strike.. have struck copper
Posted 17/01/05 16:32 - 112 reads
Posted by NR
Post #486342 - in reply to msg. #486328 - splitview
all ready on them bendigo......awaiting further annonucements.......
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Subject re: copper strike.. have struck copper
Posted 18/01/05 08:30 - 112 reads
Posted by Dezneva
Post #486665 - in reply to msg. #486328 - splitview
Yep, I agree. I know the people as well. They have a whole heap of old TEC ground. Its a great hit. and I think they are continuing the drilling.
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These were the first 3 posts ever on CSE.
Although Dezneva only posted "...I know the people as well...", I can see how you may have remebered that as "...the boss being a good bloke..."
Problem is, it was Bendigo he was replying to and not you!
How do you explain that?
Cheers!
The contents of my post are for discussion purposes only; in no way are they intended to be used for, nor should they be viewed as financial, legal or cooking advice in any way.
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Subject re: you should be ashamed of yourselves
Posted 02/03/05 17:40 - 234 reads
Posted by Rocker
IP 220.253.xxx.xxx
Post #529215 - in reply to msg. #529204 - splitview
well picked up T4P
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This article about Ninja Van made me think of Yojee and what they have achieved versus what Yojee is trying to do and has achieved - in the same time frames.
https://www.cnbc.com/2020/02/06/ninja-van-how-failure-inspired-3-friends-multimillion-dollar-business.html
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ShareI get your drift joewolf.
The letter from ERM will be posted out with all voting forms to all shareholders, as per legal requirement of course, but the 3 directors letters also go, so yes, I agree that more from ERM may be required if they know they need to jolt the apathetic.
Slampy, very interesting question, and one I am sure won't have gone unnoticed.
Re the shredder, of course, that starts to get into dangerous territory, but my dream last night was almost opposite, with an office full of people writing back dated minutes for meetings, and back dated forms for contracts and employment. It was a hectic dream, and I hope there's no reality in it at all.
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ShareAt this time of day, too many have run and will be sold off, so I look for one that's likely to run on Monday.
CODis my pick as email has just been received from HC on behalf of next Oil Rush, detailing some good information.
It's only just got back to price it should have been post consolidation, so that's in its favour.
Very little to sell, I like that, as it will move quickly.
Many won't have received the email yet as they're at work, etc.
Read more here.
http://www.nextoilrush.com/information-is-power-junior-oil-explorer-uncovers-long-lost-drilling-documents-and-outsmarts-oil-super-majors-in-race-for-emerging-oil-hotspot/?utm_source=HCMO
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Sharere: it goes like this? Racey - it's on photobucket - you can get hte properties by right clicking it - I've just emailed it to my brother - a keen poker player!
Salty - howsabout an email update please imo!!- *Removed* this post has been removed from public view
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ShareWhat a fascinating thread reading back 3 months!
Lots of reading today!
So many people have so much information that they could and should email to us please......
[email protected]
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